In year of scandal, 47% pay raise for NY state legislators?

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  1. LizKat macrumors 68040

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    Get this, the panel considering pay raises for state officials will not give final advice on the pay raise until November 15th. All 213 legislators’s seats are up for election on November 8th. Guess the incumbents regard the subject as more or less the third rail of political discourse. Most like to sidestep any mention.


    Scandals: Former leaders of both houses are now in the federal slam. This year the GOP Senate Leader had to step down. He is doing 5 years on federal corruption charges. This year the Democratic Assembly Speaker had to step down. He is doing 12 years on federal corruption charges. Since the year 2000, more than 30 NYS legislators have left office over ethical or criminal issues.

    The legislature still has not agreed on a package of comprehensive ethics reforms. They managed to pass a law allowing alcohol to be served earlier on Sundays, though. Baby steps count.


    So they haven’t had a pay raise since 1999. They work part time so this job is not their total income if they have half a brain. They get $172 a day for travel when they have to work. They get $9k or so for any committees they serve on, on top of $79k for annual base pay. Committee service is popular. You can serve on more than one.

    Each year they work six months for 3 days a week max. This year they worked 65 days.


    That’s right. 65 days. The panel proposes their base pay rise to 116,900. Not bad for a side gig before the add-ons. They will be the highest paid legislators in the country. Currently, third.

    The panel will recommend agency heads’ pay to reach $200k from $136k.

    Governor Cuomo's pay would go from $179k to about $263k.

    Like many other New Yorkers, I find this news very exciting.
     
  2. ucfgrad93 macrumors P6

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    This kind of crap is why people have such a low opinion of politicians.
     
  3. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Works out to ~3% per year.

    If they were smart, they'd just build in some kind of cost-of-living adjustment that would achieve a similar end over time instead of waiting 16 years and bundling it up in one big package.

    It doesn't look good when anybody votes in that kind of pay raise.
     
  4. samcraig macrumors P6

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    Not to mention perks.

    If they actually represented the people who voted for them, I wouldn't mind as much. But talk about a lack of perspective.
     
  5. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    On the other hand ... how many raises have you received over the last 16 years? And how would you feel if you didn't receive one over that period of time?
     
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    Well I am sure some deserve it. But I am sure many are not basing their raise on meritocracy ;)
     
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    The legislators have the option to vote for or against the pay raise advice after it is presented. That is the main reason the advisory is given AFTER an election...

    Some legislators have indeed suggested a cost of living increase instead of trying to find a good time to ask for a specific salary increase. Especially because right now whoever votes for the pay rise is likely to get primaried next time around. But voters do have short memories... SOMETIMES. We might remember this banner year for the scandalls though.
     
  8. ucfgrad93 macrumors P6

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    They worked 65 days this year. That isn't deserving of a 47% raise.
     
  9. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    After 16 years without a pay raise they deserve something.
     
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    How much has the average New Yorker's pay slip increased over the same period?
     
  11. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    Nope. If COLAs aren't built into other state expenditures, I see no good reason for politicians to get it.
     
  12. LizKat thread starter macrumors 68040

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    I tend to agree. Their predecessors' cowardice or neglect in asking for pay raise in the past, that's not the fault of the current taxpayers. These part time legislators currently have the 3rd highest base pay of all state legislatures in the USA. Base pay, before all their lulus. Only California and Pennsylvania exceed that.

    So given the scandals and the failure to agree on ethics reform, what are we talking about here? Just a 47% pay raise to make up for all those years going without 3% raises that the rest of us did not get either?

    And who the hell is going to pay for these raises anyway. Did someone bust a drug cartel?

    Yes it's true the guy in the next assembly district up from me drives a ten year old car and I regard him as a honest hard working guy but if he is that then why aren't he and my own invisible assemblyman, and our swell state senator all hammering on the Speaker of the Assembly and the Senate Leader to get the reform package done. They have had decades to do this.

    Over the last six years they see 30 people escorted out of the chambers to face ethics-related charges. The stink of corruption in Albany wafts out over the Atlantic, no doubt! No wonder they fail for so long to summon the nerve to ask for pay raises. Maybe this year they figure Trump and Clinton getting the oxygen will distract us. But how distracted can we be when the very leadership of the state lawmakers goes to the slam from both houses, ten days apart!

    So now, what, they want to wade through one more round of highly skilled grifting on top of a pay raise? Albany will probably collapse if they actually clean up their act. I hope to see it happen. It would make a nice venue for rock concerts. Maybe schedule the pay raise vote after the ethics reform package is passed and reviewed by the media and signed by Mr. Wonderful in the gov's mansion.
     
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    I'll give the memo to my boss that my office has voted itself a 47% pay raise, I'm sure he'll think it's a great idea and institute it quickly.
     
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    Well, one has to pay politicians a wage the pre-empts bribery, and clearly the current pay level isn't working in this regard, so.... :p

    I'd love to see how people's change as a function of becoming a politician. I suspect that income would go up, and continue to go up at an accelerated rate after leaving office.
     
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    You must be a unionized state employee to say such crap. Seriously? They make a TON of money with golden benefits and do NOTHING. They are 100% useless in every way possible.
     
  16. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    I love the smell of hyperbole in the morning.

    It smells like ... irrationality.
     
  17. LizKat thread starter macrumors 68040

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    The way I look at the argument over a 47% raise after 16 years, versus a series of 3% average annual increases instead: If someone's been there for sixteen years, they are an advertisement for term limits, no?

    If an assemblyman has been there for four years, so okay, maybe average New Yorkers get one 3% raise in four years. We're not in the 80s anymore, so maybe not. So let the legislators get up the nerve to ask for a smaller raise more often. Let them fault their peers for not voting for it, if that's part of the problem. The ones with three committee assignments and a hefty outside job want to look noble so they vote no? I mean, I don't know if stuff like that happens. It's possible some with outside pay do vote against a raise. They can brag about it to the taxpayers and get re-elected.

    Still these guys are already the third highest paid in the country. For a six-months per year job. And whoever is lucky enough to occupy those seats after the 2016 election gets the big bowl of fruit? The sudden pay bonanza of receiving the equivalent of all 16 of the 3% annnual pay raises that their predecessors may or may not have asked for but anyway did not get? Doesn't seem reasonable to me.
     
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    Well said. Maybe it's time to put our legislators on minimum wage plus commission. Do good, earn commissions. Do bad, sign up for food stamps.
     
  19. LizKat thread starter macrumors 68040

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    I like it a lot. :D Will not make it through both houses though.

    My bro in law the dairy farmer said the main problem with Albany was letting them work six months a year. Eight weeks max, five days a week, then back to their day jobs was his own proposal. Forty days and forty nights. Still a lot of room for mischief. These guys pass laws in the middle of the damn night.
     
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    They deserve something, but not that.

    In the same time frame as a public education employee, I've had two raises. Both of which have been offset by a rise in insurance costs. I'm sure our politician friends have seen no such increase. With the whopping two percent we finally got this year, most of us will see less in our monthly paychecks.

    All I want is for them to live on my budget.
     
  22. thewap macrumors demi-god

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    NYS highest taxes in the nation, most corrupt as well...go figure... let's give them a pay raise!
     
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    8th highest.
     

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