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iOS 14 Privacy Features: Approximate Location, Clipboard Access Warnings, Limited Photos Access and More

C DM

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One android phone found the notification when searched keyword "covid", meanwhile the one that I blocked found nothing.
Guess it takes a rocket scientist to figure that. :rolleyes:
(I specifically stated the contact tracing.)
If something supposedly can't be trusted on one device then it seems it would follow that something on another device can't be trusted either.
 

chucker23n1

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One android phone found the notification when searched keyword "covid", meanwhile the one that I blocked found nothing.
Guess it takes a rocket scientist to figure that. :rolleyes:
(I specifically stated the contact tracing.)

Ah yes. For someone who invokes Big Brother and doesn’t trust an OS, using the OS-provided search function is definitely the way to be sure.
 

jonppa

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Also, I thought I have made it clear from the get go, I am more concerned about it being misused by app developers.
Why leave that Pandora's box in there?

Can you give example of the misuse the developers could use?

On Apple devices only single APP can be submitted from country that uses the API.
Also: the only misuse they could do is try compare random IDs to phones database. Even if someone could hack the "seen id" database open they only had random ids from maximum last to weeks. I really cannot find any usage for those :)
 

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Can you give example of the misuse the developers could use?

On Apple devices only single APP can be submitted from country that uses the API.
Also: the only misuse they could do is try compare random IDs to phones database. Even if someone could hack the "seen id" database open they only had random ids from maximum last to weeks. I really cannot find any usage for those :)
You see, considering it is only recently discovered that certain apps were caught doing something behind the scene without the user knowing, I am very suspicious in having any of these on my devices. That is especially when I am not given a choice to remove such API from my devices.
In addition, don't want to get political, but I have seen how certain government forces the tech companies to install certain things to its citizens' smartphones. Considering the concept of contact tracing is originated from certain country who just prosecuted one of its citizen for having a web conference with a political activist, that just raised too many red flags for me to the point where I want to have the option of not having it on my devices.
 

bigchrisfgb

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What a laugh.
Google have implemented the same API for track and trace in their phones, it also can’t be deleted.
The API is pointless without you downloading the app, then giving that app permission to use the API.
Worrying about it being on your device is like worrying about your DVD player picking up a porn movie from across your room, inserting it into itself and playing it whilst you aren’t looking.
Of course in reality you know the only way a DVD player can play a porno is if you inserted the DVD (similar for downloading an app), and pressing play (giving that app permission to use the track and trace API).
Of course at anytime you want you can press pause (take away the apps API permission), eject the DVD (uninstall the app), then throw away they DVD (Request the data they did track on you to be deleted).

This whole big brother is watching you conspiracy with the track and trace is laughable.
If the government or even various mega companies like Apple wanted to spy on you and know where you are, they already do. They can triangulate your position via your phone’s signal at anytime, or even through any broadband connection you have.
You have likely already told the government where you live and work, either directly or indirectly.
You have already likely told Apple where you live through your account information.
The difference between Apple is they don’t really want to know and only do it for billing requirements, and they think others shouldn’t know so try to prevent other companies from getting a hold of that data.
 

chucker23n1

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You see, considering it is only recently discovered that certain apps were caught doing something behind the scene without the user knowing, I am very suspicious in having any of these on my devices. That is especially when I am not given a choice to remove such API from my devices.
In addition, don't want to get political, but I have seen how certain government forces the tech companies to install certain things to its citizens' smartphones.

You still haven't explained why you're fine trusting the older version of the OS, and think that an API for third parties is required for the first party to abuse your data.
 

B4U

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You still haven't explained why you're fine trusting the older version of the OS, and think that an API for third parties is required for the first party to abuse your data.
And interestingly, you still feel the urge to tell me how I shall think and what I shall want on MY devices. :oops:
I mean, why do you care what I think and want?
If it is so optional, then why put it right into the OS? Am I asking for the world when I ask to have the thing to be actually optional?
On the other hand, the contact tracing will be utterly useless if it is optional and the ratio to opt in is low.
 

C DM

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If it is so optional, then why put it right into the OS? Am I asking for the world when I ask to have the thing to be actually optional?
If that's all that was being asked and brought up it would be a somewhat different story. (That aspect of it, as we know, has to do with the way iOS designed, similar to how built-in apps like Mail or Safari, for example, can't be updated on their own and need an iOS update for that.)
 
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B4U

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If that's all that was being asked and brought up it would be a somewhat different story. (That aspect of it, as we know, has to do with the way iOS designed, similar to how built-in apps like Mail or Safari, for example, can't be updated on their own and need an iOS update for that.)
and...can they make contact tracing optional instead of integrating right into the iOS?
I thought that is what I said in the first place? Guess it was understood in a different way than how I presented it. I apologize if my words made you misunderstand what I was trying present.
Anyway, if it takes a whole OS update to update built-in apps, that design can use some improvement. Don't you think?
 

C DM

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I thought that is what I said in the first place? Guess it was understood in a different way than how I presented it. I apologize if my words made you misunderstand what I was trying present.
Anyway, if it takes a whole OS update to update built-in apps, that design can use some improvement. Don't you think?
There was a fair bit about trust, "big brother", and all that which isn't really related to this particular aspect of it all.

As for being able to update things without whole OS updates, that's something that has been discussed in quite a few places for quite a while -- yes, it would be nice if there was more of a capability for something like that when it comes to iOS.
 
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chucker23n1

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And interestingly, you still feel the urge to tell me how I shall think and what I shall want on MY devices. :oops:
I mean, why do you care what I think and want?

I don’t. You brought all this up. Generally, when people say something on a discussion board, they want a discussion.
 

chucker23n1

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As for being able to update things without whole OS updates, that's something that has been discussed in quite a few places for quite a while -- yes, it would be nice if there was more of a capability for something like that when it comes to iOS.

That would be nice in some areas, but would also significantly complicate releases. So much of Apple is tied to the annual schedule at this point.

They couuuld do a separate keynote where they focus on new releases to, say, Safari, but… why?
 

C DM

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That would be nice in some areas, but would also significantly complicate releases. So much of Apple is tied to the annual schedule at this point.

They couuuld do a separate keynote where they focus on new releases to, say, Safari, but… why?
To be fair, Mail and Safari changes (at least to some degree) come even in point releases most of which don't have keynotes or anything like that announced for them. So in that sense at least in a similar fashion they can come on app-level as well similar to how apps get updates from the App Store. That said, that would require larger scale changes of the whole iOS architecture since a lot of these updates would be tied to various lower level OS functions which at least so far can mainly only be updated through actual OS updates (and not something like an App Store app update).
 

chucker23n1

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To be fair, Mail and Safari changes (at least to some degree) come even in point releases most of which don't have keynotes or anything like that announced for them. So in that sense at least in a similar fashion they can come on app-level as well similar to how apps get updates from the App Store. That said, that would require larger scale changes of the whole iOS architecture since a lot of these updates would be tied to various lower level OS functions which at least so far can mainly only be updated through actual OS updates (and not something like an App Store app update).

Those in-between updates are mostly “stuff that wasn’t quite beta-quality in Summer”, though.

They could decouple those releases, and somewhat have on macOS (you will be able to get Safari 14 on Catalina). They can either have that upgrade system-wide frameworks, or have it simply contain its own local copy of them. The latter approach even fits the App Store model, ignoring reviews guidelines.

I just think they’d rather not. It’s unforced engineering complexity.
 

DoctorTech

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i don’t thinkthe phone broadcasts any WiFi unless -

- you enable it to join unknow networks
or
-it sees a WiFi SSID that it knows
Or
- you have joined a hidden SSID in the past (any hidden network) and it sees a hidden network. Then it will ask it if it is one that it knows
Thank you for the clarification. I wasn't sure if my phone was discoverable whenever the Wi-Fi was turned on.
 
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