iPhone 5, IOS 6 show little to no innovation. Is Apple too content to care?

Discussion in 'Apple, Inc and Tech Industry' started by DASHB, Oct 15, 2012.

  1. DASHB macrumors newbie

    Oct 15, 2012
    So as far as I can tell by others and my own opinions, Apple seems to be content with what has sold well and doesn't seem to care about being innovative and daring at all anymore.

    I'll be the first to say, if you don't have a mac, regardless of how much less you paid for a PC, then you have never had a mac or know anything at all about computers. So when it comes to desktops or notebooks Apple is not just the best choice, they are the only choice.

    But when it comes to the IOS products it just seems like they don't realize how everyone else has caught up and even surpassed their products in every way. The only reason they are still the top seller of tablet and digital music devices (and not the top but a huge seller of phones) is only because they were the first to make a good, user-friendly, product. But with the way they refuse to allow users to expand memory and just won't listen to what we all keep screaming for, I guarantee they will ultimately lose their status and then with their higher prices for less product, Apple's bubble will burst and no one will stand in line for their "new" product, that is no different than the one they already own except it will probably be buggy for a few weeks.

    Take the 5 for example, it doesnt have a bigger screen!!! It has a LONGER screen, but same width that was already much smaller than almost all other competition. Siri... yeah right, still haven't met a single person that uses it longer than two days. I love how all my products are Apple but both my brothers decided against the 5 and one got a samsung windows phone, the other the Galaxy 3. Both were cheaper, have more memory, look better, hva much larger screens, all the same apps plus many more useful standard apps and I must admit that I wish i hadn't bought the 5! It's the same phone I already had. Then IOS 6, come on. It's only purpose is to help Apple better identify and ultimately put a stop to anything hacking-wise that they lose money on. Jailbreak on IOS6 and you'll see what I mean! Then we have the "new iPad" which a year later is called the iPad 3!!?? I hope no one bought it that already had the 2! And if I was buying an iPad today, I'd definitely opt for the 2 and save money for the same product. I have played with them around friends, sane games, same internet loads, same pictures... everyone admits that there is no noticeable difference. Yet all those things we asked for didn't change.

    But Apple really shows their true colors(two ways):
    #1 in their ascending prices of each product just for adding memory which is actually the cheapest upgrade you can make on any CPU/MAC. They know you'll think the Ipad is 500 bucks but when you go to buy it of course you start to think about how 8Gigs won't even hold your music, much less videos and apps, so why not pay 100, 200 more dollars to double/triple that capacity?! Name one other product that charges you so much more for the cheapest possible upgrade? Well i played with a friends Galaxy tablet and i wish i woulda bought it. It was cheaper, upgradable in every way, and costs no extra to get a version of it that can get service from verizon. It also is able to connect to multiple peripherals without any costly accessories.
    #2 And this one will ultimately cost them their dominance if they don't wise up soon: they refuse to give you any peripheral connectivity without forcing you to buy those stupid extra $30-50 connectors that make it so much more awkward when trying to charge and connect a few things such as a camera/TV/printer/hard drive or usb jump drive/ ethernet cable/ etc...

    Do you agree/disagree. I hope I'm wrong cause I love Apple but i think they will eventually just be a mac company.
  2. MH01 Suspended


    Feb 11, 2008
    Based on this I knew this post was going to be full of uneducated assumptions. Sorry mate, there are pros and cons of owning a mac or PC.

    My PC cost a lot more then my mac desktops/notebooks.
  3. thejadedmonkey macrumors 604


    May 28, 2005
    I never owned an iPhone, and I never will. But I feel the same way about OS X and the mac. Apple's slipping, and now that everyone else caught up to Apple, it's more apparent than ever.
  4. spacehog371 macrumors regular

    Dec 13, 2003
    I don't even know where to begin.

    To start, being able to operate my phone with one hand is very important to me. I think Apple keeping the width the same but increasing height was pretty much the perfect way to do things. If you want a bigger phone, there are others on the market. Apple isn't trying to be everything for everyone.

    Look better? I'm not sure what that means. I think the iPhone 4/4S/5 all surpass any other phone on the market in terms of beauty and build quality. Bigger screen? Already went over that.

    All the same apps? That is just straight *********. Android may have all of the same popular apps... instapaper, angry birds, etc.... unfortunately, if it isn't a hugely popular app, it is unlikely to be found on Android. Even then, apps are very often not executed as well as they are on iOS, i.e. lacking features.

    The new iPad has a faster processor and retina display. Those are the two selling points. You might have the same games, but they don't look as good or run as smoothly. The retina screen is a huge factor, and the only reason why I bought the new iPad. It is/was worth it if you do a lot of reading on the device.

    Regardless, why do you assume that everyone is upgrading every year, or that Apple expects people to upgrade every year? Did you ever stop and think that maybe Apple is fine doing incremental upgrades that aren't "must have" because they don't expect people to upgrade every year?

    I can't figure out where people get this notion that Apple is trying to get people to ditch their old iPad 2 in order to buy the new one. The same thing is always said about iPhones.

    "Don't fall for the marketing, it isn't some huge update," or "They release a new one every year, trying to get you to upgrade." That last one is an actual quote from a friend of mine.

    This may shock you, but technology advances every single year, and most of the time it doesn't advance by a massive amount, but by increments. Every single company releases new flagship products every year.

    Do you think that companies should only release products if it is a huge leap in technology? Maybe once every 2 years? Or maybe the question is... if you are happy with your current device and don't see a reason to upgrade, why do you care about the next generation device?

    Every year people want/expect a quantum leap in technology. Steve Jobs said it in the original iPhone keynote. You are lucky to work on one product that changes an industry. The iPod only changed the industry once, the rest was incremental. The iPhone changed the industry, and it will likely only be once, the rest will be incremental. The iPad changed the industry, and will likely only be incremental from here on out. As much as people want it, industry changing products like the iPhone or iPad are few and far between.
  5. mnemonix, Oct 15, 2012
    Last edited: Oct 15, 2012

    mnemonix macrumors regular

    Jun 23, 2005

    New account created purely to criticise the iPhone. You tried to sound reasonable by first praising the desktops, but you weren't even right about them.

    I love Apple computers, had them for 20 years but they're not the only choice and they're no more (or less) innovative than the iProducts. The hardware and software follow Apple's clearly stated approach to design, and simply work and look as Apple intended whether it's a Mac or an iPhone.

    If you love Macs I don't see why you don't feel the same way about the iPhone. Neither change much year on year, but they exemplify and build on the qualities above, that are the essence of Apple's products.

    Then you bang on about the iPhone screen size as if we haven't heard it all before. Its like that for a reason (see above). Big screens aren't innovative.

    Finally your point about the price of more memory? Same applies to the computers. It's extras like this that all manufacturers charge a premium for.

    Run along.
  6. Jibbajabba macrumors 65816

    Aug 13, 2011
    A lot of people seem to disagree


    Whatever Apple does, people whinge but still jump on it .. so why change anything ?
  7. Heb 7:4 macrumors regular

    Jun 11, 2011
    Where did all this "Giant Screen = Better" nonsense come from? I don't want a portable tablet. I have an iPad that slips in my bag already. We spent years trying to shrink phones, and now an oversized monstrosity like the S3 is supposed to be a good thing? Rubbish.

    I was skeptical about the increase in size with the iPhone 5 but having played with it in the shop (cancelled my order because of maps) it's still pretty comfortable to use and text with one hand, which is as it should be. Any wider would be ****.

    Design wise, iPhone is still easily the best. For me anyway, all about opinions!
  8. canesalato macrumors 65816


    Jan 31, 2010
    Try maps+ :)
  9. vvswarup macrumors 6502a

    Jul 21, 2010
    Do Android manufacturers release phones featuring a quantum leap over the previous iteration? Is the Samsung SGIII a "huge leap" over the SGII?
  10. decafjava macrumors 68030


    Feb 7, 2011
    +1 The big innovation was a touchscreen smartphone - the rest is just refinement.


    Yes indeed, is anyone fooled anymore? Are these people really paid?
  11. roadbloc macrumors G3


    Aug 24, 2009
    Tbh, I think Passbook is a pretty good innovation. Once we actually get more than the starbucks app working for it. But I do agree that Apple are lagging and letting the competition, in both their PC and mobile efforts, catch up.
  12. Rogifan macrumors Core


    Nov 14, 2011
    The iPhone screen isn't as big as the S3, ergo Apple isn't innovating. OK whatever.
  13. KnightWRX macrumors Pentium


    Jan 28, 2009
    Quebec, Canada
    So we've had nothing but refinement since 2002 ?
  14. decafjava macrumors 68030


    Feb 7, 2011
    Ok I'll bite what do you consider innovation vs. refinement? Is a bigger screen innovation? A better os?

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