IPhone 8plus updated w/o permission

Discussion in 'iOS 11' started by Matt1988, Mar 27, 2018.

  1. Matt1988 macrumors newbie

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    I hate for my first post to start with something negative but I just purchased this 8 plus a few weeks ago and it was on 11.2.1. I did not want to update past this point. I even went into settings and turned off auto updates and I have always hit later when the phone bugs the crap out of me to update the iOS. I was looking in settings last night and noticed that I am now on 11.2.6???! This is bs. If Apple wants this much control over a device I had to pay over 800 bucks for this will be my last purchase with them. Has anyone else had this happen?
     
  2. Banglazed macrumors 68020

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    It happens at times if you leave your iPhone idle, connected to WiFi and charger overnight it’s possible it will update as well iCloud backup/sync. I think the workaround are either disconnect from WiFi or enable low power mode.
     
  3. Chazzle macrumors 68000

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    You would have had to hit Install Tonight instead of Remind Me Later. Albeit they do make the Remind Me Later option not near as noticeable. Out of curiosity, why did you want to stay on 11.2.1?
     
  4. Matt1988, Mar 27, 2018
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    Matt1988 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    I will definitely start doing that. Tks for the tip!
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    Waiting on the next jailbreak and 11.2.1 had a better chance of being jb than 11.2.6. I’ve been jail breaking my I devices since the iPod 4. It’s the ONLY way to go imo. I don’t do it for pirated apps btw. I use it to turn off update reminders and basically tweak the device where it’s faster and more efficient and ad free. Something we should be able to do anyways. I tried a galaxy s8 and didn’t like it. Too buggy. iOS is a far superior operating system but it’s just too restricted..
     
  5. theshoehorn macrumors 6502

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    This isn't true.... It auto-updates apps, but NOT the OS. That only happens if you enter your passcode to allow it to update overnight. iOS will bug the crap out of you, but NEVER will update the OS unless you tell it to.
     
  6. Mlrollin91 macrumors G5

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    If you hit “later” and enter your passcode (which is the only way for it to auto update) you authorized it to do so.

    Never enter your passcode without reading why. It states “your iPhone will update to 11.2.6 when connected to power between 9pm and 5am”. “Please enter passcode”.
     
  7. HungryForMore macrumors newbie

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    What @theshoehorn and @Mlrollin91 said is true. iOS will never auto-update by itself. You must have clicked "later" and provided passcode.
     
  8. eoblaed macrumors 68020

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    (color highlight mine)

    I've had every model of iPhone since the original, and have updated my OS with every update, and have never seen an ad (outside of free third party apps). Where do you see ads, especially that are prevalent enough that you want to jailbreak to get rid of them?
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    And, as has been pointed out, the screen where you dismiss the update reminder is rather easy to tap the 'do it later tonight when I'm asleep' option vs. the 'don't remind me again' option.
     
  9. simonmet, Mar 28, 2018
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    simonmet macrumors 68000

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    Apple is sneaky and disengenuous. Instead of “Yes” and “No” options to the dialogue like we’ve been instinctively trained to expect from decades of using computers, Apple makes it a “Yes” and “Yes, later” option.

    After the 20th nag and you’re in a rush or doing something else important I completely understand how someone could overlook the fine print and choose the big option that isn’t “Install Now” and then just enter the passcode out of force of habit because they want or need the dialogue to go away as quickly as possible. Apple knows this, which is why they moved the “Ask me later” option to fine print.

    We see people upset and disappointed that they did this posting here all the time, but especially around the time of major OS updates because: people are *humans* and they make *mistakes* — something certain types of people (you can tell who) have very little understanding of or compassion for. I choose not to associate with those kinds of people; the sort of people that are always right and can never admit any wrongdoing. The whole point of UI is ease of use and to minimise the likelihood of user error, so you could say this dialogue clearly isn’t good UI.

    Of course, none of this would matter if Apple would let you downgrade. But it’s their intention to get people on the latest version of their operating system as a marketing tool to developers and to use any sneaky means possible to increase adoption while still validly maintaining their claim that they “don’t force updates”.

    Consider it a learning experience. It was, after all, just a minor point update.
     
  10. Knowlege Bomb macrumors 603

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    Well said. Their ability to gloat on stage about adoption rates is the sole reason they’ll never allow downgrades or the ability to permanently silence upgrade prompts. They’re so wrapped up in being able to say they’re better than Android that they’ll take whatever opportunity they can to say something snarky and elitist about the competition BUT that aside, in most cases it makes sense to have everyone on the latest firmware as the security fixes frequently pushed are important for privacy reasons.

    This rings even more true now that they’ve “come clean” about their battery throttling/data preservation practices. Unfortunately most of your average users won’t even realize there’s been a change in settings and will continue to have their experience **** upon pushing them into purchasing a new device prematurely.

    For those of us that remember and are still interested in jailbreaking, it’s just a matter of staying vigilant and dodging Apple’s shady attempts to trick you into pushing the wrong button. Personally, I’m probably out of the scene for good as I’m just as much a beta junky as I am a jailbreaking one.
     
  11. bopajuice Suspended

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    The price we pay to "enjoy" the eco-system...

    I think Apple has to Come up with a better way of adding features or security updates to iOS.

    I understand updates are important to keep the phone secure and compatible with new features, but it seems to come at the expense of slowing the phone or decreasing battery life. I don't notice the updates as much on my phones because I replace them somewhat regularly, but I have three iPads that span several years, and with each new iOS update, they become slower and more and more laggy. My oldest iPad is painfully laggy to the point that I sold it. I now am left with a iPad mini 2 and 4LTE. They still work great for my purposes, but they are laggy and somewhat slower than they used to be.

    Apple needs to find a way to keep older devises secure, but still maintain decent performance. Why not let Apple customers keep an older iOS? If they can't use certain apps so be it. I am sure many would be happier updating for security if they could still experience decent performance at the expense of some not having some features.
     
  12. Knowlege Bomb, Mar 28, 2018
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    Knowlege Bomb macrumors 603

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    I’m no developer but it seems like coding a barebones security update for older devices would be quite simple and beneficial for those who are able to stretch the lifespan of their devices. Outside of the 4s I have yet to be able to skip an upgrade so it doesn’t really pertain to me but I’ve seen several family members and friends using old phones (read: 5 and below) that are just painfully slow.

    My sister and her husband refuse to use iPhones because he saw an old iPhone 4 limping along on iOS 7 at one point and thinks that reflects the iOS experience in general. I can’t imagine this is an isolated incident either. They damage their reputation and lose sales to push their upgrades and it’s sad to watch, although it seems to be less of an issue since the RAM was bumped in the 5s.

    I’m stuck on iOS because I’ve been using it since the original iPhone but if there was any sort of decent alternative out there I’d be laying a path away from Apple. I realize I’m starting to sound like a crotchety old-timer but I miss the Apple of old. Don’t even get me started on their latest Face ID ad campaign. They used to have some really great commercials.
     
  13. rocat1997 macrumors regular

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    Why would you not want to update? Updates are software patches. Some serious. I don’t buy into all the drama on the forum about updates causing problems. Mine have always worked better than the previous update.
     
  14. eoblaed macrumors 68020

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    He responded to this question already and wants to Jailbreak his phone and feels that 11.2.1 can be 'broken easier than 11.2.6
     
  15. simonsi macrumors 601

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    Yeah but obviously thats not a use case Apple will consider - they will be driven by the 99.5% of users who definitely want updates applied with the minimum of fuss and effort, possibly with a choice of timing - which is exactly what Apple offers.
     
  16. eoblaed macrumors 68020

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    Oh, I agree. I was just answering the other poster who wanted to know why the OP didn't want to upgrade past 11.2.1.

    Personally, I would never jailbreak my phone and I think the idea of taking a very secure, well running device that I depend on every hour of every day, cracking open the OS, and installing completely un-curated software written by who-knows-who, that can now be doing whatever it wants with your phone and your data, on it ... well, let's just say I think that is extremely ill advised.
     
  17. ActionableMango macrumors G3

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    No. I'm still on iOS 10 and it never, ever downloads an update nor asks me to update.

    Block Apple's update domains at the router level and your iPhone won't even be able to check for updates.

    If you have a sophisticated enough router, you might be able to block domains just for certain MAC addresses (like your iPhone) only, which would allow automatic updates for other Apple devices.
     
  18. simonsi macrumors 601

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    Bit difficult if it chooses to check when on work or other wifi - do you control your work routers? :)
     
  19. ActionableMango macrumors G3

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    My phone is personal and so I don't connect to work's Wi-Fi, I use LTE.

    In any case, this guy is jailbreaking so frankly he can block domains at the phone level simply by editing his \etc\hosts file.
     

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