iPhone officially switches from O2 UK to Orange UK after restore!!!

maka344

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I can’t believe what has just happened!

I am now factory locked on another carrier!

My girlfriends 3G has been locked to O2 from out of the box since new but JB and unlocked by Dev team software, was on 3.0. I updated to 3.1.2 via iTunes.

When the phone switched back on it activated in iTunes and downloaded a carrier update, as Orange UK are about to start selling iPhones from next week I believe my girlfriends iPhone is now factory locked to Orange UK as I got full reception and haven’t even ran BlackRa1n or sn0w as of yet! Just tried an O2 sim and now states invalid sim inserted!

Now I’m only going to jailbreak and not apply the unlock. My theory is Apple are going to ship O2 devices and simply change the lock status within iTunes on first activation!

Anyway I can prove this?

I will try my 3GS as i'm on 3.1 JB and soft unlocked also on Orange UK pay monthly. Can anyone else try this?

UPDATE!

Just did the same on my 3GS and it is now factory locked to Orange rather than O2!

I restored the 3G to 3.2.1 as I had Blackra1n downloaded and ready to use. After the iTunes restore the phone displays "Connect to iTunes" I connect it and it then says "Activated" and Orange UK was showing, this is without using Blackra1n.

This happened on both phones. I've only JB'ed not unlocked and both are fully working on 3.2.1 officially on Orange UK with full servies. My options have gone for editing the "Cellular data settings".

Both phones are fully working without having applied a software unlock.

Means apple are selling the phones locked and activate depending on what sim card you use.

Please try this and let me know!
 

FXT 1

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Just inserted an Orange Pay and Go sim into my O2 locked iPhone. itunes offered me a carrier update, i denied, but iphone is receiving Orange signal!!!!! :eek:

UPDATE: Orange have sent me 3 text messages about settings, hope this doesnt screw up my O2 settings lol.

EDIT: My phone has never been jailbroken by the way and is still locked to O2, have just tried some other SIM cards and none work. Orange SIM receives bad signal where I live though. :(
 
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kAoTiX

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Are you saying it locked to Orange after a restore? If so does it alter the lock status after a restore depending on what sim card is inserted? O2/Orange.

I wouldn't want to 'test' it and find that I get locked to Orange cos I much prefer O2 plus Orange signal is crap in my area.
 
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andybno1

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this is strange cause I did a dfu restore on my iPhone last night and with my Orange SIM in it just told me to insert a valid sim.....and had to stick O2 sim in
 
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jonnyb

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Just inserted an Orange Pay and Go sim into my O2 locked iPhone. itunes offered me a carrier update, i denied, but iphone is receiving Orange signal!!!!! :eek:

UPDATE: Orange have sent me 3 text messages about settings, hope this doesnt screw up my O2 settings lol.

EDIT: My phone has never been jailbroken by the way and is still locked to O2, have just tried some other SIM cards and none work. Orange SIM receives bad signal where I live though. :(
So let me get this straight - you can currently use either an Orange PAYG or your O2 sim in your phone and both work?

Could you describe the exact steps in the right order that you took that made this happen?
 
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andybno1

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So let me get this straight - you can currently use either an Orange PAYG or your O2 sim in your phone and both work?
there was a carrier update yesterday, after I rebooted my phone the network data details had updated to show a size limit under mms and internet tethering had been enabled in the settings menu with a popup asking me to setup tethering with Orange UK

EDIT: was looking to remove my 3.1.2 ipsw file to start a fresh and looked in:
%app data%\Apple Computer\iTunes\iPhone Carrier Support
and found
Orange_uk.ipcc
 
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FXT 1

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So let me get this straight - you can currently use either an Orange PAYG or your O2 sim in your phone and both work?

Could you describe the exact steps in the right order that you took that made this happen?
Yes. And it didn't mess up my O2 Settings as well. Also, I don't believe the phone locks to either Orange or O2. I think it's lockable to either carrier.

All I did was remove my O2 Pay Monthly SIM and insert an Orange Pay and Go SIM into my iPhone, which is locked to O2 and not jailbroken, and synced with itunes. iTunes then offered a carrier update, to which I at first denied, in fear of it messing up my settings, but later accepted.
 
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FXT 1

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this is strange cause I did a dfu restore on my iPhone last night and with my Orange SIM in it just told me to insert a valid sim.....and had to stick O2 sim in
Haven't tried it this morning, but it worked last night for me.

Are you saying it locked to Orange after a restore? If so does it alter the lock status after a restore depending on what sim card is inserted? O2/Orange.
Partially true. I believe the phone is lockable to either carrier. I tested some other UK SIM cards (3,Voda,T-Mobile) and they didn't work.
 
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jonnyb

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Haven't tried it this morning, but it worked last night for me.



Partially true. I believe the phone is lockable to either carrier. I tested some other UK SIM cards (3,Voda,T-Mobile) and they didn't work.
Ah. So I can't simply swap one sim out for the other once I've 'activated' it as an Orange phone. It has to be resynced each time to swap it back and forth?
 
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FXT 1

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Ah. So I can't simply swap one sim out for the other once I've 'activated' it as an Orange phone. It has to be resynced each time to swap it back and forth?
I'll try it again and see, my O2 SIM is currently in the phone at the moment and iTunes is performing a full restore (unrelated issue, just swapped my phone at the genius bar) so I'll try in a bit. Don't want to mess up the full restore.
 
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andybno1

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well I just did a completely fresh dfu restore and itunes said nope sim not supported, I wonder if it was because it was activated as an O2 phone first so theres no prior activation with the Orange sim

oh nice I tried to use blackra1n to hacktivate it...... stuck at slide for emergency lol
 
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TheSpaz

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well I just did a completely fresh dfu restore and itunes said nope sim not supported, I wonder if it was because it was activated as an O2 phone first so theres no prior activation with the Orange sim

oh nice I tried to use blackra1n to hacktivate it...... stuck at slide for emergency lol
Blackra1n doesn't hacktivate.
 
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maka344

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The phone will only accept O2 or Orange UK sim cards only after a fresh restore before any activation.

So what I did on both phones:

1: Full back up
2: Restore to 3.1.2
3: Connect to iTunes
4: Orange Sim in phone then iPhone downloads carrier settings and displays "Activated"
5: Tried this with O2 and it activated to O2

Only one network lock at a time after a clean restore.
 
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kAoTiX

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That's pretty damn good if you ask me. At least its a free unlock to an additional network.
I think this is why o2 wouldn't say they could unlock peoples phones. Basically becuase they can't, it does it itself!

Thanks for the clarification.
 
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andybno1

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So what I did on both phones:

1: Full back up
2: Restore to 3.1.2
3: Connect to iTunes
4: Orange Sim in phone then iPhone downloads carrier settings and displays "Activated"
I did these exact steps iTunes keeps saying needs official sim, I never got the carrier download though

wonder if it's to do with having iTunes 8.2 in work? (I have a xp pc runs like a snail if asked to do too much lol)
 
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RandomKamikaze

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Blackra1n doesn't hacktivate.
As of RC3 it does

there was a carrier update yesterday, after I rebooted my phone the network data details had updated to show a size limit under mms and internet tethering had been enabled in the settings menu with a popup asking me to setup tethering with Orange UK

EDIT: was looking to remove my 3.1.2 ipsw file to start a fresh and looked in:
%app data%\Apple Computer\iTunes\iPhone Carrier Support
and found
Orange_uk.ipcc
This interesting, because when I did that as well, it asked me to setup tethering with Vodafone UK. I am a Vodafone UK user, I didn't get a carrier update tho. I'm not going to try this yet, as Vodafone don't start selling it till 2010, while Orange start next week. Would be good to hear if anyone else on Orange UK has this experience.

OP, are you sure you didn't run BlackRa1n with your Orange UK SIM in the phone?
 
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dayloon

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Trying this now...

UPDATE :

Fresh restore on my 3gs, inserted orange sim and it says "The SIM card inserted in this iphone does not appear to be supported" :(
 
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Neo-Tech

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I've been trying for the past hour or so and I have no luck :(

Maybe somebody can upload the Orange IPCC file they got, it might help.

EDIT: Yeah! Got the update, finally. I had to install ultrasn0w for iTunes to pick up my Orange SIM Card. Checking now if it'll work without ultrasn0w, will upload IPCC file for all :D

EDIT2: I tried without ultrasn0w and it didn't work. Me thinks the OP restored his iPhone when Apple/Orange were testing that any UK iPhone would work, regardless of which carrier it was sold by. As for the IPCC file, here you are.
 
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FXT 1

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So let me get this straight - you can currently use either an Orange PAYG or your O2 sim in your phone and both work?

Could you describe the exact steps in the right order that you took that made this happen?
Have just tried again. Genius activated my iPhone hours ago at the store on O2. Have just ejected my O2 SIM and inserted the Orange one. Had to sync that time to Itunes. But just swapped the SIMs again and I am receiving O2 signal with no re-sync required. Wouldn't trust this method for use forever though. But yes I can switch between the two without a re-sync it would seem overall.

BTW everybody, my iPhone is not jailbroken or hacktivated, and is locked to O2 officially.
 
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Neo-Tech

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I think a clean restore does something to make it work with Orange :/
Or it already works with Orange but when you sync with iTunes, it connects to the iTunes server and lets the SIM work or not? Meh, we'll find out in a few days time, just be patient.
 
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maka344

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Just for clarification. I did not use Ultrasn0w or Blackra1n prior to the fresh restore. Other people on other forums are reporting the exact same result as me.

You have to have your Orange UK sim card inserted in the phone at the point of restore and at the point activation.

Simply do a clean restore, from iTunes leaving the Orange UK sim card inserted. My girlfriends 3G did the exact same and my 3GS both are pay monthly customers and both now using officially locked Orange UK iPhones which where purchased on O2.

I have not tried an O2 sim card. I will do that later and post back.

I can get any file from ssh you require, please let me know
 
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jonnyb

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Just for clarification. I did not use Ultrasn0w or Blackra1n prior to the fresh restore. Other people on other forums are reporting the exact same result as me.

You have to have your Orange UK sim card inserted in the phone at the point of restore and at the point activation.

Simply do a clean restore, from iTunes leaving the Orange UK sim card inserted. My girlfriends 3G did the exact same and my 3GS both are pay monthly customers and both now using officially locked Orange UK iPhones which where purchased on O2.

I have not tried an O2 sim card. I will do that later and post back.

I can get any file from ssh you require, please let me know
Being able to switch back to O2 is crucial for me (and I suspect many people). Please let me know what happens when you put the O2 sim back in

thanks
 
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