iPhoto 11: no full screen, no dual screen, not 64 bit: I want my money back!

Discussion in 'Mac Apps and Mac App Store' started by DenisK, Oct 21, 2010.

  1. DenisK macrumors member

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    Installed without problems on a 3 y.o. 15MBP and a new iMac. See no performance issues so far, but I HATE the fact that the FULL SCREEN photo viewing is no longer there! I just hate it, that there is absolutely no way to view pictures full screen. period. (this was THE MOST important feature of iPhoto.) As such, zooming in full screen is NOT available anymore either, instead of floating windows with adjustments, etc., zoom, effects, you get stupid permanent bars that you can't even move anywhere. Also, gone is ability to quick launch a full screen slideshow. You are now asked to select photos for a slideshow first, and then create that slideshow. In Classic you will get an ability to view these full screen, thats the only way. The stupid music that accompanies classic is ... well, stupid. I just wish the Apple store in Bethesda MD had it installed so I could see how horrible it is, before giving them $79 for a Family Pack! My money now goes to Adobe for LR3, a much, much better suite! Forgot to mention, this version is NOT 64 bit, and it does not recognize dual-screen mode either, something that Adobe implemented years ago. Shame on APple for dummifying a simple photo viewer to the iPhone level.:mad:
     
  2. GoCubsGo macrumors Nehalem

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    Uhhhh if you click the full screen button in the bottom left corner of the application it goes full screen. WTF are you drinking and can I have some?
     
  3. DenisK thread starter macrumors member

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    No! It does not: it still leaves stupid bars on top and on the bottom, with filmstrip (which used to be on top, and used to be hideable, stupid buttons, and all of this stupidity is colored black and is permanently fixed to both upper and lower portion of the view called "full screen" -- so it is not a full screen, in fact. SO WTF are you drinking?
     
  4. GoCubsGo macrumors Nehalem

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    I think you're talking about slide show ... full screen is there, the app simply hides the OS's bars and gives you a navigation bar of sorts. Remarkably, if you want a slideshow you can either click the SLIDESHOW icon on the botom or create one ... oh there it is ... full screen no bars ... slideshow. ;)


    Edit: I feel bad that you're confused, here are the icons I reference:
     

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  5. DenisK thread starter macrumors member

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    Jessica: Slide show = slide show. Full screen = full screen. Got it? Now, go to full screen and enjoy the permanent horizontal black glossy bars, the monumental stupidity Apple now wants me to call "full screen". Full screen is when there is NOTHING on the screen except for my picture, NOTHING = 0. Got it???

    For everyone else: the reason why NOTHING on the screen is so important, is that every millimeter of my screen real estate is valuable, I want to be able to devote ALL of it to viewing and editing in FULL SCREEN, so that I could see better, and edit pictures faster, just like i used to be able in old iPhoto, in LightRoom, in Photo Mechanic, and in a bunch of other apps. Apple got rid of this feature completely here. I can not edit, zoom in etc in full screen anymore, despite them calling it a "full screen" mode. Why, Apple, do you make me pay to Adobe?
     
  6. gilkisson macrumors 65816

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  7. petvas macrumors 601

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    I just tested it. The is no full screen mode where only a picture is being displayed. Does this really bother you? I find the new full screen mode really great.
     
  8. DenisK thread starter macrumors member

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  9. gilkisson macrumors 65816

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    With aspersions cast from Don Quixote, tilt away, and best of luck. Tear 'em up.
     
  10. bmcgonag macrumors 65816

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    Can't you go back to the other iPhoto?

    That's what I would do, if it were possible.
     
  11. DenisK thread starter macrumors member

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    Very good point, I may try. Meanwhile I gave APple feedback asking them to restore functionality (such as, full screen picture viewing with adjustment windows floating and movable to any area of the screens, and to rid of the horizontal bars, or at least make them hideable...).. My hopes are not too high, as my previous experience with feedback is not very positive: I wrote to them previously because on the pre-current generation of iMacs, current year, iphoto 09 crashes/freezes the entire iMac entirely, if/when viewing pics at full screen on an external monitor, which is my setup: i run a 21 inch iMac connected to the 30 inch Cinema HD.... On a different forum, some guru from UK told me that it is a known issue of iPhoto not working very well with several current video cards... so, i was really looking forward to the fix.... and note, that Lightroom for example never crashes that iMac, which has 12 gigs of RAM.... in fact nothing crashed it ever, but iPhoto 09. Just no luck for me!
     
  12. Amazing Iceman macrumors 68040

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    I'm hopeful that someone will release an app to tweak iPhoto's hidden settings and make it look the way you want. Just hang in there. All these apps have a lot of undocumented settings, which get discovered by the good hackers out there.
     
  13. DenisK thread starter macrumors member

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    Well, hacking, with all due respect, is not my idea of fun. I think I was robbed of a certain functionality, and I want it back.
     
  14. Bodypainter macrumors regular

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    hi dennis! i fully agree with you!

    the fullscreen photo view mode was convinient to select which photo to keep and which to delete. it also was good to see how photos worked together. you don't want to have visual clutter on the screen while doing that - you want to see your photo(s)! and nothing else!

    the strange thing about this is, that it is so important and necessary and yet: apple discards this functionallity! it's a step backwards and makes everything complicated.

    it's the same with other things in iphoto 11. did you notice that when you enter a new location there is no radius anymore? if you add a building site zone - not possible anymore. it's a simple pinpoint rather than a point or area. besides that: it is very difficult to add a location now because this window is so small and the scrolling of the pinpoint is strange. when you move the pinpoint out of the window the area doesn't "follow". makes everything even more difficult.

    it seems like apple can do whatever they want - you are forced to swallow it. if they have no fullscreen photo view mode anymore - eat it! you can't even go back, because the library had to be "updated" to the newer iphoto 11. if this was pc, people would say "bad microsoft software" ;-(
     
  15. tibi08 macrumors 6502a

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    Can someone PLEASE post a screenshot of the new fullscreen mode? I am about to upgrade and don't want to make the biggest mistake of my life.

    Thnx!
     
  16. spooky2k macrumors 6502a

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    After reading this thread, I can't help but feel that lots of the people unhappy with this new feature set either didn't bother to look at the apple website and see these things before buying and/or shouldn't really be using iPhoto anyway.

    Dennis, you keep mentioning you have a two monitor set up and do full screen photo editing. That kind of set up is for someone that does photography full time. iPhoto is not the program for you if so. iPhoto and Adobe LR aren't comparable. Aperture and Adobe LR are. They are software for the higher end of the market. iPhoto is meant to be basic photo editing/archiving functionality that comes on every mac and caters to the 95th percentile. Personally, whilst using the old full screen iPhoto, those floating bars and boxes really bugged me. Having to move them around all the time to see certain parts of my photos. Then I got Aperture \9for lots of other reasons too!) and use that now. iPhoto=basic editing/archive. Aperture/Adobe LR=professional editing/archive (allowing plug-ins and integration with Photoshop etc).

    It sounds to me like you expect iPhoto to do all your bidding when editing photos and whilst it's great at basic bidding, it's just not full featured enough to be using over a dual monitor display. Do you print the pictures any bigger than 8x10? If not, you don't need that extra detail anyway. Have you tried Aperture?
     
  17. spooky2k macrumors 6502a

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    http://www.apple.com/ilife/

    Look at the feature set there and decide if it's right for you or not. Don't expect professional photo editing/archive software. If you do professional photo editing, you probably want a different package (Aperture or Adobe LR).
     
  18. petvas macrumors 601

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    Here is a screenshot of the new full screen mode:
     

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  19. Bodypainter macrumors regular

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    the problem is NOT the fullscreen mode that apple has created and in which the whole program can be run. the problem is the fullscreen mode that the program enters when you display one or more pictures at once. this is a mode that was totally black back in iphoto 11, but now it is cluttered with panels that can't be removed. if i want to see 3 pictures now to decide which one is the best, i have to share this task with 3 annoying other user interface elements. you can not see a photo without user interface! it simply isn't possible!

    and please don't tell me that iphoto is not a professional program. it is! why am i forced to buy aperture, just because i want to see a photo without the user interface around? a fullscreen photo view is only possible when i buy a pro program like aperture? this is a strange strategy from apple. what's next? will they avoid you to install programs, unless you have the pro-mac osx?
     
  20. Bodypainter macrumors regular

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    unfortunately you can not stop the progression, you HAVE to upgrade at some point because at least when you buy the next mac you'll get iLife 11. also remember that other programs like imovie are quite nice, and just because apple got strange and removed the "fullscreen photo view", i shall not work with imovie 11? sorry, but this is not fair. apple is removing BASIC editing features. and i can not believe that they did it to make the program easier to use. the program got a lot more difficult to use in MANY ways.
     
  21. Bodypainter macrumors regular

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    ok, this is a picture of the fullscreen mode showing 3 pictures. note that i don't want to EDIT the pictures, i just want to compare them and delete the one i don't like. you are not able to get rid of the bar at the top (which i could live with), you can not get rid of the huge editing thing on the right (this IS a problem) and you also are forced to have a huge bar on the bottom that displays more pictures and lots of text. this is fullscreen? yes, this is fullscreen! this is the most reduced you can get when watching photos!

    as you can see the three photos are really small. that's because the menu on the right uses up so much space. it is also difficult to concentrate on the three photos as the user interface around also wants your attention. i have asked many people now, and most say that they want to be able to see a photo fullscreen. this is not "pro feature" (someone suggested to buy apperture) – this is BASIC feature!

    ps: i am surprised no one at the iphoto team invented an algorythm to display 3 wide photos underneath each other. would make a lot more sense for landscape photos! the photos are always shown vertically, no matter how much space is wasted/unused... weird!
     
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    I see the two screen shots posted...why is the edit menu not displayed in the picture of the dog? Does the edit menu get forced open when you view more than one photo?

    I'm assuming you can't just click on that pencil icon again to toggle the edit right side menu on and off, right?
     
  24. tibi08 macrumors 6502a

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    Presumably the edit pane only comes up when you press "edit"?
     
  25. sigamy macrumors 65816

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    Yeah, so I guess the complaint is that this edit pane takes up too much space while actually in the process of editing photos. I can see that. Seems like Apple dropped the "UI" ball here.
     

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