Iran -vs- United States || Iran + United States

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    This is an excellent window into Iran. I've said for some time that Iran and the United States are natural allies and the president who achieves a Nixon-goes-to-China breakthrough with Iran will be the greatest foreign policy president in history.

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/iran-tech-startups-119506.html#.VZl3yPlks4U
     
  2. Dmunjal macrumors 65816

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    I would hope the two could get along like this. The problem is the allies of the US, namely Saudi Arabia and Israel, would fight it at every turn.

    Also, what has been bringing Iran and the US together recently is a common enemy on the battlefield. This is probably a temporary situation.
     
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    Nothing wrong with a common enemy bringing two countries closer; however, common economic interests would be even better. You're absolutely correct that Israel and Saudi would attempt to thwart any rapprochement, though.
     
  4. vrDrew macrumors 65816

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    Its a highly complicated issue.

    In Tehran they still have "Marg bar Amrika" (Death to America!) sessions at Friday prayer services. The (elected) Government has been trying to put a stop to it for at least a couple of years. But the elected Government doesn't really hold all the cards.

    The last 36 years have seen not only the Mullahs gain considerable veto power over most Government policy; but also the Religious Police have entrenched themselves into most every Iranian community. And the Revolutionary Guard controls most of the sanctions-busting smuggling that goes on - giving them a perverse incentive not to want any rapprochement with the USA.

    Of course, here in the USA, we have our own versions of these forces, working against any reopening of normalized relations with Iran. And my personal belief is that the current Congress would not permit normalized relations with Iran under any circumstances - let alone a necessarily imperfect deal on slowing or stopping Iran's nuclear program.
     
  5. sim667 macrumors 65816

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    I don't know why it's such a shock that there's entrepreneurs in Iran, it once was a very forwarding thinking country, with liberal Islamic ideas, leading the Islamic world in a number of areas
     
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    It's not, at least not in the United States where there is a very large entrepreneurial Iranian diaspora.

    The value in that article is that is punctures the myth that all Iranians are wild-eyed Muslim fanatics. In fact, over 60% of the Iranian population were born after the revolution and for them, the Ayatollah Khomeini is a grim old man they read about on their iPads. Most have no particular animus against the U.S.A. and in fact, probably heard many fond stories from their parents about the fun American neighbors who lived upstairs back in the day. Once that generation begins to take over we'll see a major shift in policy.
     
  7. Dmunjal macrumors 65816

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    The problem is not Iran, it's Israel.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/theov...-netanyahu-iran-nuclear-deal-israel/25325199/
     
  8. bradl macrumors 68040

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    All I know is this.

    Ahmadinejad is out, so a lot of the incendiary statements have dropped dramatically. And while many in the world still believe that Iran is one of the great evils in the world, I watch this:



    .. and still hang on to hope.

    BL.
     
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    Iranian society is a lot more progressive than Saudi Wahabbi society which arrest and torture women caught driving. At least in Iran, women can drive, they can become doctors too. Iranian girls can also look forward to a university education too. How odd that the USA never never ever points fingers on Saudi Arabia's human rights record.

    The problem with Iran is not the people in general. The problem with Iran is that the ultra-conservatives (along with the religious conservative establishment) still have a dominant voice in politics (ever since the establishment of the Islamic Republic). Even when a so-called "progressive" (reformist) Iranian president is elected, he can only do so much because the political conservatives will oppose his moves, the religious clergy will oppose his moves, and the Supreme Leader (the Ayatollah) may veto his moves. In other words, his hands are tied.

    IMHO, the best scenario? Hope that the current Ayatollah Khamanei dies and he is replaced with a more forward-thinking Supreme Leader. Then, and only then, will the idiotic "Death to America" mentality go into the dustbin of history.
     
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    They are not allowed to dance with each other. Men dance with men, and women dance with women. For an anti gay country, that's just idiotic.
     
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    No argument with their rules or their rationale, as that is idiotic. However, the fact that it is their youth and millenials making and taking the stand against it is the important and warming part of it. If they do that instead of toe the religious line, like here in the Us, the older generation will die out, leaving those like these kids in charge of the country. Call it a revolution; but one that time and nature is bringing on, instead of swift, brisk ideological shift.

    BL.
     
  12. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 603

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    As long as the power isn't passed down to the youth who are brainwashed to implement the same ideology.
     
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