Iranian nuclear agreement: how long until the hardliners begin their backstabbing ?

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  1. takao macrumors 68040

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    So why do sources like the Economist, who are hardly pro-Iran support the deal?
     
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    So the iranian government was blackmailed into abandoning their nuclear program.

    Success! :rolleyes:
     
  5. Happybunny macrumors 68000

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    I for one think that this could be a very important step in normalising relations with Iran.


    Well lets hope that this brings some stability and prosperity to a region which could really use it.

    The Iran of 2015 is not the Iran of 1978/79, plus anything that stops the proliferation of WMD by peaceful methods should be praised.
     
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    I agree with you on this. :eek: But, I'd like to see the deal finalised, because in some respects it looks like they've kicked the details into the long grass.
     
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    Its an impressive achievement. One that I think President Obama, through his patient approach to Iran throughout his entire Presidency, can take a great deal of credit for.

    Of course, that is at least half the problem with it.

    But realistically, its probably the best deal we in the West could have hoped for. It severely reduces Iran's ability to enrich uranium; it repurposes Irans biggest facilities; and it puts international inspectors on the ground for at least the next 15 years.

    There is no way any sort of aerial assault - Israeli; US; coalition; whatever - could have achieved that.

    Critics complain that its only in effect for ten or fifteen years. I think that is our opportunity. Because in ten or fifteen years Iran's government hasn't changed its tune about Israel; is still holding "Death to America" pep rallies; and is still sponsoring terrorism - then we've failed.

    For the most part Iranians - and especially young, educated Iranians - have a great affection for and admiration for the United States. Lets give them a chance to change their own country for the better.
     
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    Iran is possibly the only place on earth where people take personal risks to hold an occasional pro-Western demonstration. It always perplexed me that we let Iran-US relations get so hostile. I know, I know, CIA meddling Iranian affairs and all that, but that was a long time ago. It seems like a ongoing tragedy of mistrust and miscommunication ever since.
     
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    I doubt the Iranian hardliners will do anything to try to hurt the deal. They know that the Republicans in the US will try their hardest to sink the deal, and if that happens then they can use it as evidence that the Americans can't be trusted and why Iran needs a nuclear weapon.
     
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    I fully support Iran going nuclear.

    Iran is a natural American ally and eventually we'll get a real president who will bring these two nations together for our common interest.
     
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    I'll never understand the Saudis = good Iran = bad thing. Iran's arguably one of the more stable countries in the Middle East, and seemingly one with far less animosity toward US citizens.
     
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    It might stem from Israel hating Iran and the US feeling the need to defend Israel at all costs?

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  14. APlotdevice macrumors 68040

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    I think the fact that 13% of our gross oil imports comes from Saudi Arabia is a pretty big factor as well.
     
  15. stylinexpat macrumors 6502a

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    He has always been pro-war. Maybe he was abused as a child..?

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    LOL.

    Iran aren't the good guys any more than Saudi are the good guys. They're both backwards fascist theocracies who share few of our values.
     
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    I assume the discussion on the right will range between 'worst deal since Munich, or worst deal ever?'

    And of course, Barack Obama will be cast as the great appeaser, with nary a mention that Sainted Ronald of Raygun saw fit to sell weapons to Iran AFTER Iran murdered 241 American military personnel in Beirut.
     
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    I had someone ask me about the Iran deal yesterday. I explained it like this:

    In one of the first episodes of Breaking Bad, the main character, Walter, has a guy who tried to kill him and his partner tied up in a basement. For the sake of morality, Walter, struggles with himself to kill the guy who tried to kill him. He starts to feed him food and water and one day he breaks a plate while bringing it down to him. Unbeknownst to Walter, at the time, the guy grabs a plate shard and pockets it. Walter is about to set the guy free after he promises to forget the whole ordeal and let Walter live. Right before he does, he notices that the guy took a plate shard from his broken plate and is planning on killing him once he sets him free.

    The United States and its allies just gave the guy with a plate shard billions of dollars.

    And that, is the Iran Deal.
     
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    Except in this case the man with the shard has agreed upon inspections for every conceivable path towards using the shard...
     
  20. Praxis91 macrumors regular

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    Under what Constitutional authority may we tell another country what to do/not do?
     
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    When diplomacy is what helps keep a country a country. Do you want to go back to feudal times or do you prefer using your iPhone on the subway? ;)
     
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    What are you talking about?
     
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    And what happens if down the line they say no to the inspections or say they were crossing their fingers? An American lawyer is going to sue them?

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    I meant to quote Praxis. I got to yours don't worry.
     
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    So the truth is that you haven't even looked into the agreement. If Iran decides to not allow an inspection, it goes to a UN panel that decides if the inspection is warranted. If they decide yes, inspections occur. Iran agreed to this framework.

    How would Iran benefit by reneging on this deal? They know they can't win a war, and they face destruction if they ever attempt to use a nuke...which by the way it's nearly impossible to enrich to weapons grade without the world knowing about it. The infrastructure required (along with the supply lines) are under intense scrutiny.
     
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    Iran ratified the UN Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty in 1968.

    While it remains a signatory, it must comply with the treaty terms.

    http://www.un.org/disarmament/WMD/Nuclear/NPT.shtml
     

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