Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad denied visit to Ground Zero

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  1. solvs macrumors 603

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    http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/09/20/asking-for-trouble/

    More here:

    http://www.mahablog.com/2007/09/20/asking-for-trouble/

    I really don't know what to say, but figured I'd post it anyway and see what you guys think.
     
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  3. Swarmlord macrumors 6502a

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    If he and his country keep up the way they are going, they'll have a Ground Zero of their own to lay a wreath at, so he's got that to look forward to.
     
  4. Lyle macrumors 68000

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    I'm still thinking about the title of the article. Does "Crooks and Liars" think Ahmadinejad is asking for trouble, or that Michelle Malkin is (or maybe both)?

    Obviously, it's a publicity stunt for him. He knows that if he were to go down there, he's not going to be in any danger. We'll offer him plenty of free police protection, because that's what we do in this country. If he is still denied access to the site, he can play that to his advantage as well on the world stage. I really don't see any downside to this for him, regardless of how it goes. He really is a pretty sharp politician.
     
  5. BoyBach macrumors 68040

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    If Ahmadinejad does visit (he cannot really be stopped, can he?) and lays a wreath, then kudos to him.
     
  6. PlaceofDis macrumors Core

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    yeah because our country really needs to police the world some more and start more wars, right? :rolleyes:
     
  7. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    Ahmadinejad requested special permission visit to the pit, which is construction site now. He was told by the city what anyone else would have been told had they made such a request -- no. And this is a big story? Next thing you know, we'll be hearing great wailing and moaning about how he was denied permission to climb the outside of the Empire State Building.
     
  8. Swarmlord macrumors 6502a

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    Start? I don't think so.

    And by the way, we police our interests which is what I expect our government to do.
     
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    I would have allowed him to visit the Holocaust memorial escorted by survivors and descendants.
     
  10. it5five macrumors 65816

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    Keep up what? I wasn't aware they were doing anything worse than what this country is doing.

    If the US keeps up what it's doing, we'll have a second Ground Zero to deny people access to lay wreaths at.
     
  11. Swarmlord macrumors 6502a

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    Do you seriously think that all countries should be allowed to do anything that the US and European countries do with their military and scientific efforts? You think that the world is just one big Disney attraction where people of different colors, languages and dress all sing "It's a Small World" and then play nice together afterwards?

    That's seriously twisted.
     
  12. PlaceofDis macrumors Core

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    rather than policing other countries maybe we need to take a look at our own citizens and take care of them first.
     
  13. it5five macrumors 65816

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    That's nice, but it didn't really answer any of my questions. The only thing we hear bad about Iran is coming from the mouth of the right-wing in this country, who are trying to incite another war.

    We don't know for sure if they are using their nuclear capabilities for weapons or power. We know FOR SURE that Iran has helped Iraq with their infrastructure. I think they built a power plant for them recently. I'm sure the Americans will declare it a terrorist stronghold and blow it up soon, for the sake of the Iraqis.

    Until you come up with evidence that Iran is doing "evil things", I won't believe a word that comes out of any right-wingers mouth about Iran.

    EDIT: The majority opinion in the world would probably find your views infinitely more twisted than mine.
     
  14. Swarmlord macrumors 6502a

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    Protecting them from others IS the government's job.
     
  15. PlaceofDis macrumors Core

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    and they're a danger to us how? like iraq was with their non-existent wmds?
    keeping an eye on 'em? fine.
    telling them what to do? not so good.
     
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    I don't think its our job to be the world police. First off, leave other cultures alone. If there not a threat to the US just let them be. American values and democracy doesn't work in every country. Second, we don't have nearly enough resources or man power to even come close to policing the world or getting involved in every conflict. Just look at how well we handled Iraq. We by no means have enough resources to attack Iran right now yet alone out right invade them. I would go to war with Iran if they were directly threatening US interests but they are not. BTW, we are the ones provoking Iran right now. Of course Bush wants to go into Iran. They have one of the worlds biggest oil supplies and most of it is already being tapped so it wouldn't even take much effort for us to take it.
     
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    Oh BTW, most of these weapons that Iran has that they are not suppose to have ie. cruise missiles, chemical weapons, ext. Guess who they got it from...............

    Good old red whit and blue American corporations!!!!!!! So if you want to blame anyone for the WMDs in Iran, don't blame Iran, blame our wonderful lovely corporations!
     
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    Actually, the most recent strong language has come from France. Iran is indeed provoking other nations by quite deliberately violating the terms of the nuclear nonproliferation treaty. They are also arming militant Islamic groups in Gaza and Lebanon.
     
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    "we are the ones provoking Iran right now"? Have you even looked at a newspaper in the last year or are you just completely making things up?
     
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    I'm guessing he made it up. :)

    You'd think that if we went into even Iraq to just take oil that these posters would at least be able to quote how many gallons we ripped off.
     
  21. solvs thread starter macrumors 603

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    That would be productive. :rolleyes:

    I'm guessing both.

    Of course it is. He's trying to make a point, and in doing so is making things worse. And in turn, we play into it and make things even worse. And it keeps going like that.

    Says the man who thinks the answer to all this is to nuke them first.

    Is making things worse the gov's job, because that's what they're doing.

    For the record, I think this guy is a jerk, deliberately trying to provoke us just as we're deliberately trying to provoke them. All to look like a leader, even if he comes off about as well as our leaders. Which is to say, not so good. And as usual, we're playing right into it just as they're playing right into our bs. Knowing neither of us can really do anything about it. I was just hoping we could be better than that, and find a better way to deal with this than empty threats, but I guess not.

    Rather, it looks like the opposite might happen, and those threats might suddenly become less empty, which would unfortunately make whoever strikes first the bad guy, and either way, both sides lose.
     
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    LOL! . . . [​IMG]

    Swarmlord always knows just what to say to get the liberals stirred up. ;)
     
  23. solvs thread starter macrumors 603

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    Wanting to preemptively wipe another country out should rile up everyone.
     
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    Naive, definitely, but twisted? I'm not sure if this is just poor word choice or a freudian slip.

    Iran's actions are intended to be provacations, but we should be very careful in reacting as Ahmadinejad expects or wants. Belligerent talk feels very satisifying, but we simply don't have the resources to fight Iran on its terms and we have lost the credibility to blunt the proliferation of nuclear material and technology, especially politically.
     
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    Anyone else? You honestly think if George Bush's office called and said Dubya had a wreath to lay and oh-by-the-way he wanted to bring some kleig lights and a few dozen cameras along etc. that he would have been told no?

    This is not a simple "no you cannot visit a construction site". It's a snub. I don't disagree with snubbing the Iranian president in this situation, but lets not try to pretty this up by saying this is what happens to every head of state who asks to visit Ground Zero.
     

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