Iraq war set to be more expensive than Vietnam

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by zimv20, Apr 28, 2006.

  1. zimv20 macrumors 601


    Jul 18, 2002

  2. mactastic macrumors 68040


    Apr 24, 2003
    The modern day GOP -- the party of bleed and greed.

    Real conservatives should be super pissed that they actually fell for this administration's line of crap. Fiscal restraint? Please. Drunken sailors are more fiscally prudent. National security? Don't make me laugh. They've put us in a position where military options don't exist for a real threat like Iran short of a nuclear strike.
  3. Abstract macrumors Penryn


    Dec 27, 2002
    Location Location Location
    #3's cool how they're willing to spend so much money to thwart a small or non-threat. I wonder how much the US will spend when a real threat arises, or when a country has real weapons of mass destruction on hand? A gajllion billion, possibly?
  4. solvs macrumors 603


    Jun 25, 2002
    LaLaLand, CA
    Depends on how much oil it has.
  5. FFTT macrumors 68030


    Apr 17, 2004
    A Stoned Throw From Ground Zero
    I just finished reading through this pdf from PNAC
    dated September 2000.

    Their Statement Of Principles is also an eye opener, especially now
    when you see who signed the document.

    June 3, 1997

    American foreign and defense policy is adrift. Conservatives have criticized the incoherent policies of the Clinton Administration. They have also resisted isolationist impulses from within their own ranks. But conservatives have not confidently advanced a strategic vision of America's role in the world. They have not set forth guiding principles for American foreign policy. They have allowed differences over tactics to obscure potential agreement on strategic objectives. And they have not fought for a defense budget that would maintain American security and advance American interests in the new century.

    We aim to change this. We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership.

    As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?

    We are in danger of squandering the opportunity and failing the challenge. We are living off the capital -- both the military investments and the foreign policy achievements -- built up by past administrations. Cuts in foreign affairs and defense spending, inattention to the tools of statecraft, and inconstant leadership are making it increasingly difficult to sustain American influence around the world. And the promise of short-term commercial benefits threatens to override strategic considerations. As a consequence, we are jeopardizing the nation's ability to meet present threats and to deal with potentially greater challenges that lie ahead.

    We seem to have forgotten the essential elements of the Reagan Administration's success: a military that is strong and ready to meet both present and future challenges; a foreign policy that boldly and purposefully promotes American principles abroad; and national leadership that accepts the United States' global responsibilities.

    Of course, the United States must be prudent in how it exercises its power. But we cannot safely avoid the responsibilities of global leadership or the costs that are associated with its exercise. America has a vital role in maintaining peace and security in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. If we shirk our responsibilities, we invite challenges to our fundamental interests. The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire. The history of this century should have taught us to embrace the cause of American leadership.

    Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:

    • we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
    responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;

    • we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;

    • we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;

    • we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

    Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next.

    Elliott Abrams. Gary Bauer. William J. Bennett. Jeb Bush.

    Dick Cheney. Eliot A. Cohen. Midge Decter. Paula Dobriansky.

    Steve Forbes. Aaron Friedberg. Francis Fukuyama. Frank Gaffney.

    Fred C. Ikle. Donald Kagan. Zalmay Khalilzad. I. Lewis Libby.

    Norman Podhoretz. Dan Quayle. Peter W. Rodman. Stephen P. Rosen.

    Henry S. Rowen. Donald Rumsfeld. Vin Weber. George Weigel.

    Paul Wolfowitz.
  6. Dont Hurt Me macrumors 603

    Dont Hurt Me

    Dec 21, 2002
    Yahooville S.C.
    What do the American People get out of this war if anything? Its a big freaking Zero, money and men going down the Iraqi pit so we can have a shiite theocracy. Reopublicans have every right to hold their heads in shame on this party & president. He dragged us into this war with his party & even the democrats help. Throw out all incumbants its the only solution the people have. Just as we got nothing out of vietnam we get nothing out of Iraq. George & Dick were missing in action in vietnam hence the rehash of history. We dont need cowardly draft dodgers running this country like Cheney,Rove,Hastert,Libby,Frist and others. We need real leadership not talking points and spin paid for by corporations.
  7. FFTT macrumors 68030


    Apr 17, 2004
    A Stoned Throw From Ground Zero
    We have the best leadership money can buy!

    I'm still surprised that the Democratic Party simply rolled over and accepted a hacked election TWICE!

    The goals of PNAC are not new.

    My father worked in the Inspector General's Group up until 1960.

    During Vietnam he warned me that there were factions within the Pentagon
    that would do anything they could to justify military spending, including "created events" to stir public support for miltary action.

    Now we have the ultimate "created event" and The War On Terrorism, that
    will never sleep.

    The perfect justification for limitless blank check funding to benefit the military industrial empires along with an armed corporate takeover of
    high stakes natural resources.

    Diplomacy is terrible for the business of war.

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