Irony: Democrats are now the pro-war, pro-offshoring, anti-blue collar party


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A peculiar turn of events. The Democratic frontrunner is pro-Iraq War, pro-NAFTA, pro-globalization, pro-TTP, anti-coal miner and anti-pipeline worker.

How she gets a single vote from organized labor is unfathomable.

United Nations uber ales!
 
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it has always been ok when democrats do it, that is why you need to elect republicans, so they can once again grow a back bone & become anti war :D
Sometimes parties go back full circle to their roots - seen any brown shirts lately at anti-trump protests? There is a brown shirt group which surprised me..of course -socialists.
The common denominator of these groups - BLM, razza, Move-on etc.. is George Soros..and Hillary Clinton who Soros also finances. Soros the communist nazi collaborator.

 

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That's a big change since 2005, if anybody wants to look at public voting records - like this one:

http://www.ontheissues.org/SenateVote/Party_2005-63.htm

Voting "no" means to continue supporting companies that offshore jobs.

Ouch.
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Sometimes parties go back full circle to their roots -

Let's see it happen, first. I'm willing to vote Trump if you will prove he will actually do something about these issues to get America back on track. Of course, aren't Americans going to want a little proof beforehand, regardless of who the candidates are?

And, to help, let us all forget everything every candidate has said because, like Clinton, Trump, Bernie, and the rest have all made big flip-flops.
 

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A peculiar turn of events. The Democratic frontrunner is pro-Iraq War, pro-NAFTA, pro-globalization, pro-TTP, anti-coal miner and anti-pipeline worker.

How she gets a single vote from organized labor is unfathomable.
I can think of a couple possibilities, but the only way to know is to be in one of those meetings and get to hear firsthand. Anything else is supposition that we're invariably reacting to, though the things we react to could have varying amounts of truth. But if those are lies then the media has to be held accountable instead of telling whatever they want just to rake a buck.

In other words, this world's in a big mess.
 

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That's a big change since 2005, if anybody wants to look at public voting records - like this one:

http://www.ontheissues.org/SenateVote/Party_2005-63.htm

Voting "no" means to continue supporting companies that offshore jobs.

Ouch.
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Let's see it happen, first. I'm willing to vote Trump if you will prove he will actually do something about these issues to get America back on track. Of course, aren't Americans going to want a little proof beforehand, regardless of who the candidates are?

And, to help, let us all forget everything every candidate has said because, like Clinton, Trump, Bernie, and the rest have all made big flip-flops.

His foreign policy speech is a good start... to which MSM news scoffed at as incoherent (and terrified the establishment), but most in the public agreed..it is time to end this 15 year long perpetual war and policy of intervention - including easing tension with Russia.

 

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I have a question for those of you who are against offshoring.

What are you proposing exactly?
Do you want to shut down companies for having foreign operations?
Do you want to tax all foreign manufactured goods sold in America?

What is the solution being proposed to shut down globalization?

You understand that this is a moving target, right? Even Chinese companies are moving manufacturing jobs offshore to less developed economies.
 

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I have a question for those of you who are against offshoring.

What are you proposing exactly?
Do you want to shut down companies for having foreign operations?
Do you want to tax all foreign manufactured goods sold in America?

What is the solution being proposed to shut down globalization?

You understand that this is a moving target, right? Even Chinese companies are moving manufacturing jobs offshore to less developed economies.
I have an even better question.

If the gripe is about offshoring, and those who are up in arms are the same people who are pro-capitalist and pro-business, and this is what those businesses are doing to make money, why is the complaint with the government? Should those complaints not be directed towards those businesses who are offshoring instead of trying to hire domestically?

This seems to be more of a business gripe than a political issue, let alone complaining about any political party.

BL.
 
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What are you proposing exactly?
This is a good question, because now that we're in the midst of it, it's not something that can easily be scaled back.

The one thing I'd do is quit giving tax subsidies to companies that ship their factories overseas to take advantage of sweatshop labor. It makes absolutely no sense to line a corporation's coffers so they can more easily expand their operations to save money at the expense of the taxpayers who paying for it, but will see absolutely no benefits from it.
 

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I have a question for those of you who are against offshoring.

What are you proposing exactly?
Do you want to shut down companies for having foreign operations?
Do you want to tax all foreign manufactured goods sold in America?

What is the solution being proposed to shut down globalization?

You understand that this is a moving target, right? Even Chinese companies are moving manufacturing jobs offshore to less developed economies.
1. tariffs - all other countries tax our goods -if they even allow them in which they do not. Thats a huge trade imbalance.
2. Lower the 35% corporate taxes in the US, and get rid of the huge regulations that add another 15% form of tax.
We have the highest in the world and cannot compete for businesses to want to be in our country, and will help small businesses to grow and compete.
3. Erridicate corporate tax loopholes, also on wall street.
4. Enforce fair trade laws against monopolies - Obama has done nothing in 8 years.
Enforce law against corporate corruption - democrats gave free pass for 8 years.
5. Stop and legislate against govt bailouts to banks and corps.
6. Get rid of the fed reserve and re-institute debt free TREASURY printed money.
The fed reserve is not a federal institution, it is a cabal of US and foreign bankers that charge debt% on each dollar we are forced to borrow and print. This cabal is TAX EXEMPT!.

7. Zero tax on income for lower wages - up to 25% tax on higher income , flat rate system, no loopholes. (Trump)
8. Cut the graft and waste and lobby monopolies in govt and bid out all contracts for the best manufacturers and rates - including the defense dept. vendors.

9. Cut the hundreds of useless govt programs, GUT the EPA for a non-agenda realistic approach to conservation to protect citizens and property rights.
10. Get rid of Obama care and the un-constitution penalties, and re-open free trade accross state lines.
11. Get rid of Common Core and it's useless program - bring ed. back to the states.
12. Regulate college loans to help all students.
13. Stop illegal immigration and stop the funding of it. Protect legal immigrant jobs.
14. Promote legal immigration - especially talented ind. limit B1 visas as they used to be'
to stop replacing American jobs at massive scales.

That would be a start to re-start manufacturing and jobs in the US and help with the economy and debt.
 
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I have an even better question.

If the gripe is about offshoring, and those who are up in arms are the same people who are pro-capitalist and pro-business, and this is what those businesses are doing to make money, why is the complaint with the government? Should those complaints not be directed towards those businesses who are offshoring instead of trying to hire domestically?

This seems to be more of a business gripe than a political issue, let alone complaining about any political party.

BL.
Yes. It is funny how the same pro "let the businesses do anything they want" crowd don't seem to want to let them do what they want in this regard. Also interesting is these people want less government regulation, but in this case they want more. :confused: