Irrefutable Proof The Civil War Was About Slavery

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  1. iBlazed macrumors 68000

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    For some reason that I don't understand, modern day conservatives like to argue that the Civil War had causes other than slavery. It was about "state's rights". This article thoroughly destroys that argument. I've actually seen this debate transpire here on PRSI in the past. Sad part is that a full 48% of Americans think the war was over state's rights, and even sadder is those numbers are driven by young people under 30. 60% of those under 30 believe slavery had nothing to do with the civil war. Here is the non-revisionist version of history...

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  2. TPadden macrumors 6502a

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    Then, here's a non-revisionist quote from President Lincoln's first inaugeral address:

    I declare that "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."

    http://www.ushistory.org/documents/lincoln1.htm

    Also significantly, this was not the first time that the people of South Carolina had discussed secession. During the debate over tariffs in the 1830s, South Carolina seriously considered secession. Additionally Four slave states -- Delaware, Maryland, Missouri, and Kentucky -- did not succeed from the Union. Guess maybe there might have been non-revisionist reasons other than slavery .....
     
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    Actions speak louder than words. But sure, ignore the mountain of evidence listed above.
     
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    civilwar.org
     
  5. TPadden macrumors 6502a

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    You throw out terms like "mountain of evidence" and "irrefutable proof" and come to a very wrong conclusion that there were no other causes for the civil war.

    I agree no one will argue that slavery wasn't one of the primary drivers but it is neither irrefutable nor does a mountain of proof exist that there were no other causes.
     
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    The Civil War started when the Kaiser and North Vietnam bombed Pearl Harbor.

    Amazing how some people don't know their own history.
     
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    I thought it was only the Germans that bombed Pearl Harbor? Are you are saying the Vietnamese were evolved as well?
     
  8. giantfan1224 macrumors 6502a

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    If it's so irrefutable then why even post it to a debate forum? You might as well also start a thread titled "Water is Wet" if it's so clear cut and if you're going to be so close-minded about others' opinions.
     
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    Water is not wet, until something or someone makes contact with it.
     
  10. giantfan1224 macrumors 6502a

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    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
  11. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    It's kinda sad that anyone thinks the U.S. civil war wasn't about slavery. It's a bit like the Germans denying the Holocaust or the Japanese denying the Rape of Nanking.
     
  12. lostngone macrumors demi-god

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    When has any War been about only One single thing? It usually is a growing list of disagreements that build over time and then their is an issue or an event that pushes it to the breaking point.

    To say it was started(or was about) because of ONLY X or Y is not logical.
     
  13. giantfan1224 macrumors 6502a

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    It appears to be more a ploy to attack conservatives.
     
  14. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Ok, fine, the primary cause for the war was slavery.

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    Please.

    I wouldn't be able to use it to "attack" conservatives in Germany, as they hold sensible views on the holocaust.

    If conservatives hold completely naive views on history then they deserve to be criticised for it. It shouldn't be that this is remotely controversial.
     
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    My point is the OP trying to make something controversial that isn't, in an attempt to attack conservatives.
     
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    Wow. So Texas has been a nut job state since well.....forever :eek:

    That was really amazing to read.
     
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    History is written by the winner. If the South had succeeded in seceding, the history books would tell how the State threw off the shackles of an oppressive federal government.

    The primary cause of the Civil War was the seditious Southern States seceding from the Union. Preserving the United States as single country was the primary objective. Freeing the slaves, the most important secondary objective, became an issue by the middle of the war. The Civil War started in 1861. Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was in 1863.

    Anyhow, I hope you win the next war. History would be an interesting read.
     
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    A lot of them did, I'm pretty sure.
     
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    It all tied in nicely and it's no secret- States Rights: it's our right to have slavery if we economically depend on the institution and culturally want to have it. In the 1960s it was our State's right to discriminate against blacks on multiple levels. Lately it's been our States rights to protect marriage as we see fit and to discriminate against citizens who live what is considered alternate and scorned life styles.

    Bottom line State's rights are used to maintain an exemption from majority standards. A good philosophical discussion, if a majority in a State belive in discrimination, should they be exempt from Federal standards, ie majority rule?
     
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    Yep. And that's one of the reasons I don't like Japanese culture.

    But that denial also damages Japan's relationship with its neighbours. Even though in other ways Japan is a good neighbourhood citizen. (e.g who paid the most to restore Angkor Wat and who gave the low interest loans for the Delhi metro? Japan in both cases)
     
  21. iBlazed thread starter macrumors 68000

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    It's not me that's making it controversial. Look at the polls on the topic.
     
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    One could make a case that Eli Whitney was the cause of the Civil War.

    The cotton gin made it possible to process cotton at a rate much faster than ever before. But the bastard didn't invent a way to PICK it faster.




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  23. giantfan1224 macrumors 6502a

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    On the subject of the main cause of the Civil War, the Pew Research Center Poll does not provide data on conservative vs. liberal vs. any other political persuasion. Yet you and the article you cited use it to attack conservatives.
     
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    According to this CNN poll it is primarily conservatives who don't believe slavery was the primary issue.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/12/civil-war-still-divides-americans/
     
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    An aggravating factor yes but certainly not the cause.
     

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