Is a Discussion Even Possible?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Rhonindk, Feb 22, 2017.

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Is a meaningful discussion even possible

Poll closed Mar 1, 2017.
  1. Yes

    11 vote(s)
    26.8%
  2. No

    20 vote(s)
    48.8%
  3. Maybe

    6 vote(s)
    14.6%
  4. Have no idea

    4 vote(s)
    9.8%
  1. Rhonindk macrumors 68020

    Rhonindk

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    Was watching the news today (ABC, CNN, FOX) and one of the common topics was the behavior exhibited at town hall meetings. Local, City, political, topic (ACA, Immigration, etc). The question was raised that with the behavior, is a meaningful discussion even possible? Then we add rhetoric like that from Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters ...

    Looking for thoughts and opinions on how people really feel.
     
  2. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Right now passion seems to prevail over logic.

    That goes for both the Right and the Left.

    So I'm not too optimistic that dialogue can occur at this time.
     
  3. MacNut macrumors Core

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  4. vrDrew macrumors 65816

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    Dialogue starts with a basic respect for the person with whom you are having a conversation.

    That's not going to happen with a person who built his campaign on lines like "Lyin' Ted", "Little Marco" and "Crooked Hillary".

    #FDT

    I'll not rest until the sh*tgibbon dies in jail.
     
  5. Snoopy4 macrumors 6502a

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    The tolerant left speaketh.
     
  6. Solomani macrumors 68030

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    Trump is the nastiest and crudest Presidential candidate to have ever campaigned. He went back to Florida to do another (post-election) "rally", and he still wants to bring back old campaign insults and slanders. He only knows how to campaign negatively. He has no clue about governing.
     
  7. MacNut macrumors Core

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    Tolerance only goes so far before it snaps.
     
  8. Snoopy4, Feb 22, 2017
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    Snoopy4 macrumors 6502a

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    The left never had tolerance for anything other than their group think. Sucks being in the back seat doesn't it?
    --- Post Merged, Feb 22, 2017 ---
    Were you asleep when the Clintons ran the first time? How about when Hillary destroyed Bernie from within or tried to destroy Obama? The Clintons defined nasty. Trump just found a way to beat it, by being just as nasty back. People may not like Trump, but he defeated the troll and that's enough for me. If he runs of the rail and gets tossed, who cares. Hillary didn't get in and that's more than enough for me.
     
  9. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 603

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    I picked "Maybe" as an alternative for .... if or when people actually consider the pros and cons towards others besides just themselves and whatever group they associate themselves with.
     
  10. MacAndMic macrumors 6502

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    I think people are having short memories. Election campaigns have been getting worse over the years and every new election creates a new plateau. The media has not helped this at all either. There is no integrity and everything that is said or reported is a whole new level of spin and supposed opinion. 2-3 election cycles down the road, this one will seem tame.
     
  11. MacNut macrumors Core

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    What are you talking about. That has been the GOP stance for over 30 years.
     
  12. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 603

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    You mean the facade of integrity, due to things being much more controlled before social media and before cable news networks became the main source of news over local news.
     
  13. Snoopy4 macrumors 6502a

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    The left hasn't had an original thought since FDR, and even then it was re-hashed socialist constructs.
     
  14. MacAndMic macrumors 6502

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    I've actually returned to watching local news due to the major "political gossip" networks just spinning. I've been pleasantly surprised as well with the local news of late, they give the story, you can see a slant at times but they don't dwell and they move on quickly to give actual other news.
     
  15. Solomani macrumors 68030

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    The last time tolerance had a place in the GOP…. Abraham Lincoln was still presiding over the Civil War.
     
  16. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 603

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    Yea, there is a difference between news reporters and news commentators.
     
  17. Arran macrumors 68040

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    I think he has a short-term memory problem. Repating himself with all this campaign nonsense. Still, I guess he's getting old.

    I do wonder if his kids pushed him into his TV game-show host gig (the Apprentice)? Probably though that'd keep the old geezer distracted and away from wrecking the family business? I've seen this behavior before in family businesses when the founder gets old and, um, erratic.

    And then - out or the blue - he became president! :eek:

    He really showed em, huh? A real-life comedy of errors.
     
  18. ucfgrad93 macrumors P6

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    Yep, that'll foster some meaningful dialogue.
     
  19. LizKat macrumors 68040

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    Gee I still talk about political issues with people on the right and left in real life. It's a lot different from what goes on in online venues. There's more curiosity and less flat-out rejection of ideas in a regular conversation with people. You can even see that in the town halls with the congresscritters now, at least the ones who welcome or at least tolerate the chance to dialogue.
     
  20. Rhonindk, Feb 22, 2017
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    Rhonindk thread starter macrumors 68020

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    So far the posts, mostly in tone and verbiage, follow the votes cast ... Ow.....
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    What I saw today and post town hall speaker interviews, it doesn't take much to turn a working town hall into a venom filled mess. And not a lot of folks to do it. The again, if the speaker embraces and fosters the "mess", that is accomplishing nothing constructive.

    Are your conversations water cooler or hallway meets or actual town hall style events?
     
  21. Septembersrain Contributor

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    I feel like I'm pretty civil and can discuss things. I agree or disagree but I do try my best to avoid generalized labels or personal attacks.
     
  22. MacNut macrumors Core

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    Basically the right on Facebook just want to troll people and live in a bubble of denial and claim trump is going great. They won't accept that they are actually making things worse. No matter what facts you might post they will claim it's fake.
     
  23. LizKat macrumors 68040

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    Hey you guys are the cut and pasters around here. Almost all of you can't even tolerate the suggestion that Mr. Trump is a bit of a snowflake, never mind his more serious shortcomings. I can only think of one or two righties here who copped to the idea that the Don is any kind of flake never mind snowflake. Sadly one of them appears to have got himself suspended recently somehow.

    Anyway group think is definitely not leftie, it just feels that way if you're on the right (and,,, conversely, perhaps).


    Just as nasty? No. He's world class nasty. But it sounds like you and I might both be content to see Pence in the office. I'd loathe the legislative accomplishments but I'd stop worrying about Trump cutting the nation into little pieces and putting on import taxes and killing exports of our ag products over a hassle with immigration and all that other crazy right wing red meat he plays with all day long and then the GOP has to send emissaries around the country and world to walk back a little...
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    My own personal ones are not as limited a sample as "down by the water cooler" but they are about that informal. Just hanging out with people at community events not related to politics, coffee meetups, lunches, putting stuff away at the food bank, standing in queue at the grocery checkout, trying to figure out which trees to put the taps in (sap season is on now), dropping off books at the library and chatting up people checking out presidential biographies (I must not be the only one looking for clues to the present via reading up on the past).. the usual boondocks grapevine in other words. I think of them in total as something like an Iowa caucus...

    But we're mostly ordinary Republicans and ordinary Democrats, not some kind of firebrand ideologues, even if we all voted a party line last fall (which is possible). And even if we post right or left online with some fair amount of fervor, also possible.

    Now meetups where congresscritters are engaging, even if they got an earful, seem useful to me. That's their job imo, listen and learn... and provide some feedback on practicalities as well. I don't mind boisterous town halls myself, having got used to boisterous council meetings during times when companies are trying to run another pipeline through here. Sometimes how you get things done is be boisterous.

    I plan to be boisterous for the next four years myself. Just in real life though, not in here. In here I just try to avoid getting banned. Out there I moderate my speech to the venue. I'm still me with my assorted viewpoints but I know how to talk one way when I'm with people tapping maple trees and talking about the shortcomings of Donald Trump, and another way when I'm asking a town councilman why some topic is not considered part of the agenda. Not everybody makes that kind of distinction, and I'd agree that sometimes it pays to make them. But see I regard that as different to being boisterously opposed to, for instance, repealing ACA without replacing it with something as useful. I have no problem with telling a congresscritter that anything else is bogus. Boisterously, if necessary.
     
  24. Meister Suspended

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    I think there is a real possibility of a civil war.

    We all know who'd win.

    It's not gonna be the people with the vagina hats.
     

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