Is " American exceptionalism " deadly to America as a country?

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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...exceptionalism/2011/05/09/AF2rm0bG_story.html

    I can I will agree with most of this, and many of you know what I think about what is wrong with America.

    This is a bit of a read ,but I like it. I think he is dead on in sayin that America needs massive reform to survive, and is currently a delusional country at best.

    What makes it even more sad, America can easily get back to where it was, but with Americans transformation into a Corporate Dictatorship, I don't think its going to happen
     
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    I view exceptionalism as a greater threat than simply blinding Americans to the problems facing the nation that must be dealt with. Exceptionalism implies an inherent superiority over others. It was a core belief behind the Nazi movement and its genocides. While the Nazi's exceptionalism beliefs were derived around genetics, I do not doubt for one second that any group of people claiming to be exceptional among other groups of people are capable of going down a similar path as the Nazis. That is extremely worrisome to me.
     
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    First response and the thread has been Godwin'ed

    That was quick!
     
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    Blah I wouldn't go that far. He's right that politicians use terms like that as a distraction from actual problems.
     
  5. Michael Goff macrumors G4

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    Yes.

    American Exceptionalism has led our nation to essentially act as though our laws trump all others. That, in itself, is reason for concern.
     
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    Indeed.

    It also has led to the notion that Americans are the best at everything, just because they are " American "
     
  7. Michael Goff macrumors G4

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    And that's a dangerous way to think. Aside from the obvious ramifications of not really respecting the sovereignty of other nations ... actually, that's the best way to put it.
     
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    It also leads to the fact that America is rapidly falling being the rest of the developed world. Americans like to deny that anything is wrong, rather than try to fix things.
     
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    American exceptionalism has become popular so as to distract how ****ed up things have become.
     
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    I believe the only (not of our own making) exceptionalism America ever had was the avoiding having its infrastructure bombed into the Stone Age during WWII (unlike most of western Europe).

    We were the last man standing when the war was over. That's it. Nothing special, just circumstance.
     
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    Yes, we are seeing the result of all the European investments in education and infrastructure starting to pay off. The EU as a whole is the largest manufacturer in the world. And the largest economy, and while its unemployment might be higher in some countries, its on the road to a full recovery.

    And yes, that played a HUGE role. The other other major industrial power was the Soviet Union, and as we know, it sealed itself off from the rest of the world.
     
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    Families in Europe generally get five weeks paid vacation each year. And they take them, driving the whole clan to the south of France or Spain for at least a couple of weeks each August.

    When is the last time you heard of any American family that wasn't (at the very least) quite well-off taking two whole weeks off to play in the sun?

    Families in Europe don't give a second thought to the financial cost of getting sick. Or having a baby. (Even with Obamacare, most families now can count on spending several thousand dollars out of pocket for maternity-related expenses.)

    Tell me, Republicans, what are you going to do to start redressing that imbalance? When are you going to help American workers reclaim their position of having the "best standard of living in the world?" We are more productive than any other nation's workers. Why don't we get to share some of the rewards?
     
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    Yep, loved living in France, I got tons of time off, I would go down to Nice or Toulon, relax on the beach and drink and eat it up for a solid three weeks. Was a good reset.

    Honestly, when I worked for a few companies as an Engineer, nearly no one ever took time off. It was a " well we say you have time off, but if you take it we'll probably find a reason to fire you ", it wasn't until I ran my own business that I ever got a decent amount of time off.

    Americans generally won't even take the days they are entitled to out of fear of getting fired.

    Yep, they don't have to worry about being bankrupted by some random medical issue. Or denied care because they can't pay.

    Republican Answer " Free Market Reganomics that have already served you so well, aren't you GLAD to have two full time jobs to barely survive? "
     
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    Different people mean different things by American Exceptionalism. Some politicians seem to think that American bridges won't collapse due to excessive wear and corrosion, so, no need to spend tax dollars to fix the bridges. Some seem to mean that they just can't get used to the idea of someone named Barack Hussein Obama becoming U.S. President. For others, it is a religious concept. (Christian, but, let's not get any more specific than that.)

    Needless to say, I don't think any country yet knows how to defy gravity.

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    The amount of freedom we once had, and the rate of scientific/technological improvements we once had, were indeed exceptional--while they lasted. Our system of government, overall, was exceptional in that we kept trying to improve the lot of all citizens, not just the upper few--but now, even that has changed for the worse.

    Put some historical perspective into these thoughts, comparing the US with others through the 19th and most of the 20th centuries.

    But like the fella told the preacher, "You done quit preachin' and gone to meddlin'."

    Internally, MRAPs, the Homeland Security goons and the NDAA. Externally, almost everything we've done in the Mideast in the last 25 years has been hubris in action.

    Folks can holler "Godwin!" all they want, but I'm old enough to see some parallels between today's US and the Germany of the late 1930s.
     
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    When was this golden period.You may find the black portion of your population will disagree with "the amount of freedom we once had".What's exceptional about the rate of scientific/technological improvements,for example Britain,Germany,Japan and others have had periods similar to the U.S.'s.
    As for "we kept trying to improve the lot of all citizens" I certainly hope you are having a laugh there.
     
  18. zioxide macrumors 603

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    Never. Republicans don't give a **** about workers. They only care about big business and CEO bank accounts. Make the rich richer while ******** over everyone else in the process.

    And we can thank Hollywood Reagan for that. This downward spiral started with "Reaganomics". Hollywood Reagan brainwashed most conservatives to thinking cutting their taxes and racing to the bottom would be a good thing, and they believed it. Look where it got us.. the worst economic crisis since the great depression.

    The Golden period? After WWII. 1950s - 1970s. American society prospered, we made huge expansions in infrastructure, the middle class exploded, and people working full-time jobs could support their family.
     
  19. jnpy!$4g3cwk macrumors 65816

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    And, civil rights for minorities and women expanded at the same time.
     
  20. chown33 macrumors 604

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    Exactly what parallels? Please be specific.

    I'm not saying there aren't any, or that I don't see any, but a vague comment about "some parallels" is useless without specifics. I'm not hollering "Godwin", I'm politely requesting "Be specific".

    For reference, here are the 25 points of the NDSP program:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program#The_25-point_Program_of_the_NSDAP
     

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