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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by yaxomoxay, Mar 29, 2017.
what is your opinion about this seemingly innocent question?
Can you clarify? If a college student asks Mom and Dad for money, it had nothing to do with the first amendment.
There's not much to clarify. First amendment applies for public spaces/public discourse.
Not much to discuss then.
This topic is pure bait.
I was asked the question and I wasn't sure what to say because of panhandlers.
"I'd rather not"
Works for me.
Or if it's panhandlers, just keep walking. They might be protected by first amendment rights but I think Giuliani cut down on them on loitering laws.
In a town near me, they just made it illegal to trespass (camp / sleep) on city property. And automatic jail if you're caught.
And, they made it illegal and punishable if you are caught handing money to a panhandler. So it discourages people from giving money to people who are begging.
Actually pretty effective. It's run a lot of the homeless out of town.
Granted, they just went somewhere else.
Right on..As long as it's not in my town it doesn't exist.
I could be wrong, but I thought solicitation was different from free speech in some way, which is how neighborhoods are able to post "no soliciting" signs.
It is harsh. But at the same time, how do you help the ones who need help without catering to those who drive a Mercedes and just get richer for doing nothing but begging for money.
They do have shelters for those who need them. But of course, they do run out of beds.
It's a tough problem to manage. I don't know if we'll ever find a true solution until we evolve into a society of community, instead of a society based on profit/money.
That is one area where I'd love to see the Star Trek type world. Where money is unnecessary. Everyone just works together because they want to / for the benefit of the community.
But, that'll probably never happen. And even if it did, what would become of those who simply didn't want to be part of the community?
That's an interesting observation. However no soliciting means to not get into private property and or disrupt a business in any way. Is holding a cardboard sign soliciting ?
It's protected speech provided it doesn't infringe on the rights of others.
I'll answer the question first, then look back through the thread and see how wrong I am.
By 1st Amendment right I'm assuming that means free speech. So can the government squelch speech because it concerns a request for money? I don't see how they could, unless somehow we're talking about someone barred by law from that kind of solicitation. But otherwise, no, I don't think anybody should be prevented by the government from asking for money.
Now let's see what this issue is really about.
Hmmm. I thought solicitation was just the act of requesting or propositioning someone, whether in public or on private property, but I'll admit I've only seen the signs in private spaces (homes, businesses etc).
I'd say that holding a sign is soliciting. Someone is asking for something, or offering a service (will work for food for example).
Exactly. That's not solving the problem. It's just shunting it off to someone else.
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You have a rare breed of homeless in your town.
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This is the dumbest thread I've seen for a while (and that say's a lot). WTF?
Today someone got "spare changed," and the reverberations are felt as far away as PRSI.
It's a legit question with legal implications based on a curiosity that a question someone asked to me raised; in any case, your presence was not required or even requested..
So maybe I'm a "bleeding-heart liberal", but I often find someone "guarding" a parking lot that I park in asking for a couple bucks. Usually I give it to them - it seems a better expense than buying an overpriced latte...but they're always nice people and my couple of bucks isn't going to change their reality. The irony (imo) is that some Conservatives say charity will make up for cutting Government services. What i do on that corner is charity. That's why I think this thread is ridiculous...
Lol. A guy at city hall asked me as panhandling is an issue in my community and apparently it's a defense that panhandlers are using when cops are called. I have no idea if it's free speech or not, hence the question.
So this is an on-line sub-forum. I wasn't aware I needed a permission slip. I'm sorry if i inadvertently hit a nerve.
*edit* quite frankly, it's a stupid question. The legality of it is of little consequence since the person(s) doing it would be operating outside the law anyways. No offense, but I don't get it.
Can you at least try to contribute by offering your opinion on the original question?
I edited. FWIW
Serious question, why would walking with a cardboard sign "Need five bucks" be against the law?