Is Censorship at an all time high?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by tshrimp, Aug 5, 2018.

  1. tshrimp, Aug 5, 2018
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    tshrimp macrumors 6502


    Mar 30, 2012
    I noticed lately Google has not been returning some of the search results it has in the past. I had to go to Bing to find the information I need. While looking around at why Google is giving me such bad results. I found this information concerning censorship from social media.

    I can't believe I am having to switch search engines because we can't get unbiased searches.

    I know this has been discussed, but I guess I had never had it personally affect me until lately.

    Do the people here support censorship even though you may disagree with the agenda of some of the results?
  2. GermanSuplex macrumors 6502a


    Aug 26, 2009
    Depends. If I search for something to which I want an answer, I want the truth, not what I hope is the truth.

    I also disagree with that very conservatively-slanted article.
  3. RootBeerMan macrumors 65816


    Jan 3, 2016
  4. samcraig macrumors P6

    Jun 22, 2009
  5. skunk macrumors G4


    Jun 29, 2002
    Republic of Ukistan
  6. widgeteer Suspended

    Jun 12, 2016
  7. appleisking macrumors 6502a

    May 24, 2013
    You seem to forget Google is a private company. As such, they can return whatever results they like and I support their ability to do so. You have the ability to go to other search engines as you have demonstrated. The only type of censorship I worry about is from the government.
  8. widgeteer Suspended

    Jun 12, 2016
    BTW, conservatives own WH, both Chambers, SCOTUS, and Fox claims to be the most watched network on cable.

    If there's a concerted effort to silence the right, it's going pretty badly.
  9. Herdfan macrumors 6502

    Apr 11, 2011
    I did find it interesting that Candice Owens had her twitter account temporarily suspended when she simply retweeted Sarah Jeong's tweets replacing the word "white" with the word "black".

    For those who don't know, Candice Owens is black.

    So yes, censorship is running at an all-time high.
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    I do agree with you, but the simple fact is most people are too lazy to use another search engine. Many years ago I saw a t-shirt that said: "The only reason Microsoft has a monopoly is because YOU are too lazy to learn another OS."

    It hits hard, but is to the point. I have since learned Mac OS. :)
  10. appleisking macrumors 6502a

    May 24, 2013
    Tragedy of the commons ain’t it. Also part of the reason we’re stuck in a two party system.
  11. widgeteer Suspended

    Jun 12, 2016
    You guys really don’t know what censorship is.
  12. DanielDD macrumors 6502

    Apr 5, 2013
    Right-wing conspiracy videos on YouTube incentivized death threats to family members of the Sandy Hook massacre. The channel that created this video is still alive and well.
    If Google followed their policy to the letter, most of these right-wing channels would be down because they incentivize violence based on conspiracies.
    If trump were a normal guy, he would already been banned from Twitter.

    Like it or not,I believe google / Twitter / Facebook have not done enough to prevent fake news, news manipulation, spread of conspiracy theories and violence. These exist on both sides, but it appears the extreme right is more successful in these platforms than the extreme left. Hence the disproportional impact of sane rules on right-wing channels.

    Do these channels like these? Of course not. They depend on falsehoods to spread their message and grow.
  13. darksithpro, Aug 5, 2018
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    darksithpro macrumors 6502a

    Oct 27, 2016

    I have also switched to Bing in the last several months, do to their censorship.
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    Your comment is laughable. Your country has an atrocious human rights and free speech record.

    Free Press

    Uzbekistan’s record with freedom of the press is equally as atrocious as its freedom of speech record. According to Human Rights Watch, Freedom House, and Shahram Akbarzadeh, writer of Uzbekistan and the United States: Authoritarianism, Islamism & Washington’s Security Agenda, Uzbekistan on many, many occasions has arrested journalists and other political dissidents, protestors, and writers. In many cases, such as one reported on by Human Rights Watch in a report titled Uzbekistan: Journalist’s Conviction Threatens Freedom of Speech, the government has imprisoned people not on charges pertaining to the actual essays they wrote, but on bogus charges such as “criminal defamation, insult, and preparing or distributing materials that threaten public security and order.” In the article presented, the person was not convicted but was heavily fined. (Human Rights Watch, 2010) (Freedom House, 2015) (Akbarzadeh, 2005, pg. 99-103).

    In addition to the large amount of political and journalistic prisoners, Uzbekistan also has a record for censorship in its media. According to Shahram Akbarzadeh, stated in his book Uzbekistan and the United States, Uzbekistan has for the majority of its history had its finger in the media pie. The government has regularly told its state-owned media what to say and how to say it. But in 2002, the government passed a law effectively ending this policy. The law strictly stated that all censorship by the government is “strictly prohibited.” But while this is a great step forward for the freedom of the press, it was only to a certain extent, as the government still regularly imprisons journalists in its country. Even after the implementation of the law, according to Akbarzadeh, “A systematic campaign of harassment and persecution appears to have been unleashed in early 2003 to remind journalists of the ever-present perils of filing reports critical of the ruling regime and its office holders.” (Akbarzadeh, 2005, pg. 99-103)
  14. Irishman macrumors 68030

    Nov 2, 2006

    What were you searching for, man?!?
  15. pivo6 macrumors 68000


    Dec 2, 2002

    actually your reply is laughable . Skunk lives in the UK (UKistan)
  16. stylinexpat macrumors 65816


    Mar 6, 2009
    Doing a Google search for certain things in America is like doing a Google search in China,UAE,Saudi Arabia or Israel.
  17. Macky-Mac macrumors 68030


    May 18, 2004

    LOL.........UKistan is nowhere near UZBEKistan.......his calling it a republic may be questionable tho
  18. rafark macrumors 6502a


    Sep 1, 2017
    Yes I do. People need to remeber these sites are not public services, they are private companies with their own interests and beliefs. They should have full rights to decide what can and can't be shown on their plattforms.
  19. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 604

    Oct 27, 2009
    I've been using Bing for the past couple years and like it better. Google results is a little too payola for my taste.
  20. darksithpro macrumors 6502a

    Oct 27, 2016

    Then they should make it clear in the TOS agreement, that certain views are not accepted, while others are. If you're going to make it a liberal echo chamber because it's a business, then be upfront about it and clearly state conservative viewpoints are not allowed. Why don't they do that?
  21. rafark macrumors 6502a


    Sep 1, 2017
    lol UK-istan..
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    I'm pretty sure they do. Google have very strict guidelines. Eitherway, they shouldn't be forced to. They gather data from the web and display what they deem appropiate. Websites can opt out of Google if they want.
  22. TheColtr macrumors 6502

    Feb 1, 2014
    You are correct and it’s great to read a rational comment. Private companies can do whatever they want. Sadly I suspect the majority of people think google, Facebook, Twitter, etc. are “the internet” rather than a group of servers all connected together. Of course there’s censorship by private companies. Apple censors the AppStore by keeping certain apps off of it. Facebook censors by keeping porn off of its platform. I’m sure some companies censor some political posts they don’t like, but it’s within their right to do so.

    If you open your mind to think of the internet is much bigger than just google, bing, and other services. As long as the government doesn’t start making censorship laws á la China, that cover the whole internet as a whole then I think we are fine.

    The first censorship laws that would come from the government would be ones the silence government criticism, and by the look of social media, and the media in general, we are far away from government censorship.
  23. Eraserhead macrumors G4


    Nov 3, 2005
    I don’t think they are censoring results. I think they are being gamed.
  24. Fugabutacus macrumors regular

    May 10, 2010
    The idea that Google is just shutting down conservatives is beyond laughable. YouTube is pretty much the primary entry point for alt-right radicalisation.

    As for the likes of Facebook suppressing conservative stories, ask yourself: what are the stories?

    If Facebook buries the story of planned parenthood selling baby parts, then what are they doing: censoring the right, or censoring falsehoods and fake news?

    None of this matters of course, because this is what you want. The right WANTS to be censored. It creates yet another Other to fight against—the evil liberal tech companies—and offers another point of entry for centrists with good intentions but bad fact checking skills.

    After all, a quick google search will debunk most of the talking points the far right uses. Google needs to be discredited at all costs. And so any perceived censorship on their part isn’t a bad thing, it’s a gift.
  25. stylinexpat macrumors 65816


    Mar 6, 2009
    The only way to tell is to do a test. Have 10 people from different countries here do a Google search for sensitive topics in America and then have each person take a screenshot of what comes up from their search. One would figure that using the same search engine doing a search using the same key words would result in the same search results.

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