Is it child abuse to give your kids offensive names?

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  1. likemyorbs macrumors 68000

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    This lovely story comes from my home state of New Jersey, it's been progressing over the last 3 years after the parents of a child named Adolf Hitler Campbell tried to get a birthday cake for their son at their local shoprite and the store refused. Now he and his two sisters, one of which is named Aryan Nation Campbell, are in foster care. From what the article says, it's really for no reason other than their names. I'm personally ok with this, because it seems the parents are not mentally stable. What do you guys think?

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  2. appleguy123 macrumors 603

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    "The Campbells have denied they are neo-Nazis, despite decorating their home with swastikas."
    I LOL'ed.

    No, I don't think that it's child abuse, I wouldn't allow it though to be put on a birth certificate.
     
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    I got a different impression from the article. It sounds like the children's names are more symptomatic of deeper trouble with the parents.
     
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    "We're not neo-Nazis. We've always been Nazis."

    I can't just imagine the conversation with whoever filled out the birth certificate:

    "Oh Aaron, what a pretty name."
    "No, Aryan."
    "Arianne?"
    "Aryan. Nation!"
    "Umkay..."
     
  7. CalBoy macrumors 604

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    I wish we could find out just what disorders these parents have.

    On the one hand they are extreme enough to name their children after nazis, and on the other hand they thought to buy a cake from a regular bakery.

    I mean if that doesn't say delusional, I don't know what does.
     
  8. EricNau Moderator emeritus

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    In Germany, by law, you can't assign your child a name that is absurd or degrading to the kid in any way.

    Makes a lot of sense to me.
     
  9. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus

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    You have to be pretty damn crazy to not like birthday cake!

    How does that work? Like, I'm assuming Hitler and Goebbels are out? Can you name your child Ghengis? Can you name your child Mao? Can you name your child Dweezil, even if they'll get beaten up in school?

    And then, if your child is less likely to get an engineering job with their prestigious college degree, is it not okay to name them Teniqua or Deshonte? (I'm assuming that's not illegal in Germany?)

    And then what about names from my ancestral part of the world? South Indian and SE Asian names can be completely ridiculous conglomerations that are like 8-9 syllables long and very difficult for foreigners to pronounce. I take it, however, we aren't banning them?

    It's a curious thing... seems like pornography, where no one can define it but a judge knows it when they see it.

    (On the other hand, even if I were a pure, White Christian man, I wouldn't leave my child in the care of those bozos for five minutes.)
     
  10. ergdegdeg Moderator emeritus

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    According to German Wikipedia (the English article doesn't have any of this information) and my half-knowledge, names ...
    • have to be recognizable as such (can't be Apple or Chair..)
    • cannot be associated with "the evil"
    • cannot violate the religious views of others (Jesus and Christus used to be disallowed)
    • cannot be the name of a place or brand
    • cannot also be a last name
    • cannot be a title such as Lord or Princess

    Growing up in the area, I think that makes sense.
     
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    What about Muhammad? Or Jesus? Or Joseph Smith? Or... you name it...
     
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    One of the users of the application I write at work is called Princess Joy. I always think it's a pretty crazy name but maybe it's totally acceptable in The Philippines?
     
  13. ergdegdeg Moderator emeritus

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    In case this was a comment to my post: Mohammed and other transliterations together are the most popular given name, so it's probably not deemed offensive and thus allowed (given the relatively large number of people of Turkish ancestry in Germany, it's pretty common there, too). Like I said, Jesus used to be disallowed, but it's ok now (I have yet to meet someone with that name from Germany/Austria (has similar regulations)).

    My point is, people from Germany/Austria are usually fine with the regulations and I think they help to prevent many of these problems and outrage (such as celebrities naming their kids after places or objects).
     
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    There's an Indian guy I work with who goes by the name Honey (which I think has to be short for something else). It's just awkward talking to him and saying "Hi Honey" or "Thanks Honey".

    I think if I had some massive, unpronounceable name starting with an H, I might shorten it to Henry or Harry, but Honey?
     
  15. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus

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    ^^ There are certain subgroups in the Indian population who have odd names, like Happy and Pinky. In Arundhati Roy's novel, she pokes fun of the Indian equivalent of ghetto names, with these three poor children who are named after ships.

    That's really interesting, to consider how many innocuous American names would fall afoul.
     
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    Richard Head.

    ***** Galore.

    MC Hammer.
     
  17. yg17 macrumors G5

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    Happy Gilmore, Pinky and the Brain. I think I know what I'm naming my kids :D
     
  18. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus

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    Well, or just names like Troy, Paris, or China, which are not so uncommon in the US. My understanding is that gender ambiguous first names are also not allowed? And there are tons of these in the US (All kinds of variations of Taylor, Dylan, etc). Also in the US names frequently flip gender -- for instance, there are a number of girls named Kennedy in the past decade, but Kennedy fails on two accounts, both for being commonly a last name and for being traditionally a masculine given name.
     
  19. mwhities macrumors 6502a

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    I heard this name the other day: Iwanna Barbie

    Either an ugly girl or a guy with a cruel name.
     
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    Ivana Humpalot

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    One of my customers the other day came in wanting something for her daughter. The daughter's name? Placenta. You can guess.
     
  22. ergdegdeg Moderator emeritus

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    No, gender-ambiguous names are ok, but it probably wouldn't be ok to name your daughter Joseph or your son Marie (come to think of it, "wrong-gender" middle names are ok and not too uncommon).
     
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    Richard Cranium
     
  24. bassfingers macrumors 6502

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    Last year in Louisiana, a lady tried to name her baby girl "********". pronounced "shi-theed". My brother's wife is a nurse and had to explain to her why she shouldn't name her child that
     
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    Note: this is a longstanding and racist urban legend people have been passing around for decades.
     

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