Is it just me or are Apple rattling a few too many cages...

Discussion in 'Apple, Inc and Tech Industry' started by Chapowski, Mar 18, 2010.

  1. Chapowski macrumors newbie

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    Apple are getting a lot of press at the moment for pissing off some major companies, and to a point, their devout fanbase. What's going on?! Is Jobs turning into a paranoid and bitter old man? Let me digress..

    The most public is obviously the bloody battle being waged with Google, using HTC as a Stalingrad. The positive relationship between Apple and Google has led to some great things for consumers including integrated maps and search in the iPhone, but now this talk of using Bing instead????? Bing is awful, and siding with Microsoft? WTF? That would be a real step backward for the iPhone. I understand that Steve won't sit by and watch Apple IP being flouted like it is right now, but to go out and use words like 'Google's mantra is BS', and 'I hate Eric Schimdt' is nothing more than unprofessional.

    Next comes Adobe and the Flash wars. Steve has made some pretty harsh comments about Adobe including words like 'lazy', and 'no effort with the Mac platform' etc. Again, built-in PDF functionality in the iPhone, Mac and presumably iPad is an often overlooked gem, but how long can Apple bash Flash until that relationship turns sour?

    Now Intel, who knows what's going on with the MBP's at the moment, but one thing that remains a hotly discussed topic is the integrated graphics Intel have shoehorned into the Arrandale chips. I very much doubt Apple are happy with being told what they can have in regards to graphics chipsets. Rumours sparked some time ago that Apple might have even reject the base Arrandale architecture and demanded that the IGP be removed. Tantrum much? If Apple and Intel come to blows, who do you think would win out of that cage match? Is the price to be paid for jumping on the mainstream bandwagon Steve's worst nightmare? A slip in CONTROLLLLLLLLLLLL.

    Next, I have some very good friends who work for Orange, one of the largest mobile providers in the UK who recently negotiated a deal for the iPhone. They say that Apple are a nightmare to work with, placing rediculous, arrogant demands on their partners, all in the interests of extreme branding, and ultimately, again, control. Right now, they can get away with it because they have the product everyone wants, but this is a very volitile market, and leaving a bunch of burning bridges in your path can't be a smart move.

    And finally, to me, the loyal, long-term customer who has been buying Mac products for years without question. What is going on with the product line Apple? It's insulting that we are still being asked the current prices for a bunch of outdated Macbook Pro's.

    The question I have, is have Apple been peeing in their own private swimming pool for long enough for people to start noticing? Who would want to live in the yellow stinky pool when there's a whole ocean out there? Who will Apple play with when everyone has packed up and gone home?
     
  2. Consultant macrumors G5

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    Nope. Apple is not losing any fan base, instead, it's gaining fan base. Apple became the 3rd largest company in the U.S (even only briefly, didn't check after that).

    Smartphone? Apple was awarded the patents the U.S. patents office, so it is obligated to protect its property.

    Bing is a RUMOR.

    Flash? The new MS products won't have flash either. Google mobile doesn't support flash or full version of flash either. Difference? Other companies try to mislead the unknowledgeable with vague promises, apple tell it like it is.

    Intel? What war?
     
  3. UTclassof89 macrumors 6502

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    Seriously?

    Seriously?!?

    One gets faulty information on current product offerings from Apple's online chat reps....
     
  4. Nermal Moderator

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    That sounds accurate. In NZ, there are two main operators with compatible networks; Vodafone and Telecom. Vodafone has a deal with Apple, and does not lock phones. Telecom tried to come to an agreement with Apple but couldn't agree on terms.

    Now, both operators are selling iPhones. Vodafone uses its agreement with Apple. Telecom buys unlocked "Vodafone" devices and sells them with Telecom SIMs.
     
  5. MacDawg macrumors P6

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    There are current threads here on MR on every one of the issues you mention, and even others you don't (Blu-ray, App Store, etc.)

    Some people have concerns, but most are apparently happy with Apple, their products and their service

    Online Forums are only a very, very small slice of the consumer base
     
  6. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    How is bing awful? It seems like a dressed up google to me, in the sense that they (search engines) its just a bunch of links thrown to the user.
     
  7. roadbloc macrumors G3

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    Is it just me or is this thread as worthless as this post?
     
  8. MacDawg macrumors P6

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    Some people feel better if you let them vent and have their say
    It releases tension and pressure that builds up and prevents them from shooting someone
    So in that regard, it isn't worthless
     
  9. *LTD* macrumors G4

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    Apple is gaining. In virtually every area. No signs of stopping anytime soon. The iPad will only strengthen Apple's position and pull in even more people.

    All these complaints are things the average consumer barely notices, much less cares about. I couldn't give a damn who Apple goes after legally, just as long as I can get my hands on more great Apple stuff. That's all I care about. That's all the average consumer cares about. And really, there's no reason to care about anything more when it comes to tech. There's certainly no point in injecting morality or other abstractions into it.

    You need to take into account the market as a whole, not just the isolated concerns of the technically-minded who bother to comment on Apple fansites.
     
  10. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    Apple is a top dog right now but when not if but When things turn they will far hard because companies remember the treatment they got in the past and they will not trust apple at all.

    Burn your bridges and it comes back to bit you when you need them. Apple has not learned from its history in the pass when they were on their death bed.

    They went from top dog in the past to death bed and had to claw their way out.
     
  11. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    I have to disagree that we should only care about the end product and not about how the company goes about producing those products. We don't need another MS, AOL, or Ma Bell throwing their weight around to unfairly stifle competition. Not that I think Apple is violating any anti-trust laws currently, but they are headed down the MS Jr path, IMO, w/the only difference being a nicer gild on the cage.


    When Apple was on it's death bed in the '90s third party developers were leaving in droves (including formerly Apple only guys like Adobe and Avid) which forced Apple to create many first party products just to survive. Maybe this is just Karma's way of punishing those companies for burning their bridges w/Apple. ;)


    Lethal
     
  12. *LTD* macrumors G4

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    This makes no sense. Which companies' trust does Apple need? HTCs?? What does HTC have to do with Apple? HTC is a competitor. You won't be seeing an HTC iPhone anytime soon. And if it ever comes to it (a la IBM/Intel) that Apple needs HTC, money and business opportunities will do the talking, not hurt feelings.

    The only thing Apple needs to maintain is consumer trust and developer relationships. They seem to be doing quite well in both areas.
     
  13. pdjudd macrumors 601

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    The computer industry was very different back when Apple was just starting out back then compared to today.
     
  14. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    I agree with everything other than that point. It's a different computer world now, but there is no way apple was just starting out in the mid 90's.
     
  15. *LTD* macrumors G4

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    I think he meant (in 97-98) that Apple was rebuilding. It was, in effect, what could be called a fresh start. And yes, it was a different world back then, not just the mid 70's.
     
  16. Consultant macrumors G5

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    Nope.

    Microsoft used anti-competitive practices with its windows monopoly. Microsoft was found guilty by US DOJ.

    Apple recently proved in US Federal Court (psystar case) that how Apple conducts its business is NOT against the law.

    Apple is not heading the Microsoft path. Just look at iPhone. The App Store does not favor Apple's software. Apple also sells content near cost (not below cost which could be illegal).

    Nope again. Adobe didn't leave Apple. Plus, look at Bill Gate's testimony:

    Microsoft spent hundreds of millions of dollars in the 90s evangelizing developers (yes, Microsoft used the term "evangelize"). MS also promises vaporware that never shipped to attract developers.
    http://www.techflash.com/seattle/20...painful_stroll_down_memory_lane_46103662.html
     
  17. *LTD* macrumors G4

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    Can't help but agree! :D
     
  18. pdjudd macrumors 601

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    Sorry, by “back then” I meant back when Apple was just getting started back in the ’70’s. Things were way different back then compared to today. Of course your interpretation can make sense too.

    People forgot that MS got to where it was due largely to monopolistic practices they were engaged in in the 90’s. That shifted the power dramatically one way. Not only that, it was the IBM mentality that got business to depend on Microsoft solutions when IBM gave MS the OS market.
     
  19. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    I said Apple isn't using anti-competitive practices, unlike MS has done in the past. How is that wrong?


    Really? What about Apple's guidelines that prevent developers from duplicating features that come with the iPhone? Or Apple keeping other NLE makers in the dark w/regard to OS updates so Avid and Adobe are always having to scramble after the update has come out to make sure their products still function properly?


    Adobe went cross platform, developed some apps that were Windows only and, according to many people here at MR, produce software that runs better on Windows than OS X.

    It's hard to pull off condescending when you are wrong.


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  20. pdjudd macrumors 601

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    In just the app store alone though he is right. Apple developed apps (like remote) are not given any preferential treatment as far as I am aware.

    I didn’t take Consultant’s comment to be talking about the core iPhone, just the App store.

    While that is not “leaving” I would call it “demoting” or “treating it as a second class citizen”. Just to be fair.
     
  21. surferfromuk macrumors 65816

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    As long as Apple continues to make the best technology products in the world we have nothing to worry about.
     
  22. coupdetat macrumors 6502

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    I agree. Apple needs to focus on products and not bullying. I think that Adobe did screw Apple for a long time, though. The PPC version of Flash was always terrible (although it sucked with Macromedia too), and it didn't get much better with Intel. However, Apple needs to pick its battles carefully. It has a brand presence that is far greater than its market share, but it needs to remember that it is still ~5% of the computer market.
     
  23. ArrowSmith macrumors regular

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    Yet I find Bing Maps better then Google Maps. Also I find myself increasingly using Bing for basic search, maybe 10% now.
     
  24. ArrowSmith macrumors regular

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    But ultimately Apple is still gaining market share in PCs, smartphones, OSes, and the Apple retail chain is dominant. Why has Microsoft not opened any more retail stores? Do you know that they haven't opened one up in Redmond yet, madness!
     
  25. jodelli macrumors 65816

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    I like Bing Maps as well, especially the bird's eye. But Google Earth and the maps distance calculator are the cat's pajamas.

    I also remember Lycos, Alta Vista, Magellan and Excite, and people actually sitting around a picnic table on breaks discussing the relative merits of each when Google was still just an obscure cartoon character.

    And remember discussing with a grandmother not long ago that Google could get useless in a hurry with irrelevant returns on a search.

    But the world keeps turning round, and I still have Google as a home page.

    Until something better comes along, which does happen sometimes. JMHO.
     

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