Is it true? The whole Flash war is mostly about porn?

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  1. LadyHoneyBabe macrumors 6502

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    I was reading some comments on the Newsy app and someone posted that the war between Adobe & Apple is about porn. There's no link, because it is posted in the app under sci/tech Flash video.

    When Adobe says most media on the Internet uses Flash, they're talking about porn. When Apple says Flash makes their computers crash, they're talking about the bugs porn leaves in the OS.

    That was sorta paraphrased, but that's basically what they're saying.


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  2. gillybean macrumors 6502a

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    Nope, I don't think so.

    Apple doesn't want flash on the iPad because

    1) It drains battery life too fast.
    2) Then people will be able to make Apps in Flash without having to go through the App store, so Apple loses control over the kinds of Apps that people are running.

    There are plenty of sites that use Flash and don't do porn (e.g. Walmart, NBA, most restaurant websites), and there are plenty of sites that offer iPad-compatible porn without Flash. So, I don't think porn is the issue.
     
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    It's all about control IMO. Flash gives developers too much freedom. Apple wants all apps to go through the App Store pure and simple.
     
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    Probably a factor but not the main one...Apple wants to control who or what uses its platforms some agree some don't hence the current tit for tat with Adobe :)
     
  6. SteveAbootman macrumors 6502a

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    Seems like an absurd claim. People are looking too much into this.
     
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    One line by Jobs is being taken way to far imo.
     
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    Indirectly I think there is something to that. Historically the porn industry drives technology. It's why people bought VCRs then bought DVDs then signed up for the Internet, then demanded broadband.

    Of course Apple and Jobs are going to feign innocence, but in the privacy of Job's office I'm sure he wants to avoid users downloading porn on their iDevice and then blaming the device and Apple for poor performance issues (no pun intended. Ha).
     
  9. Otaviano macrumors 6502a

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    Too bad they could enable Flash and still force all apps to go through the app store.

    They want control of the OS and the devices uses to create apps for the OS. They don't want someone else to come in and write a tool that they then become dependent on. Anything else is bs ... Pure and simple.
     
  10. TuffLuffJimmy macrumors G3

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    It is not true at all. This is nothing more than a codec war. Apple does not want to see its competitor's software running on Apple's various iDevices.

    Steve even suggesting it's about porn is just a red herring to keep mommies and daddies on Apple's side. Never mind that you can just type "porn" into the search field in Safari and have five billion different web pages show up for your viewing pleasure.

    People who think that Apple is some moral authority are fools. People who think that the app store not having porn somehow protects their children are fools. People who defend Apple for keeping certain competitor's software off their devices are fools.
     
  11. emptyCup macrumors 65816

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    It is about control. Whether Apple or Adobe will control Apple's technology. This has been laid out well by Jobs and various commentators. I don't know why this is so hard to understand.

    Adobe has yet to produce a version of Flash that runs decently on Macs, let alone a touch based mobil. Until they do all their posturing and protesting is worthless. If it really bothers you, you should consider one of the devices that has committed to supporting Flash (as soon as Adobe shuts up and starts producing a workable version).
     
  12. JayMysterio macrumors 6502

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    The porn argument refers to why Apple has a closed environment, which their devices function in. Jobs doesn't want ITunes being some wide open uncontrolled marketplace, realizing people would put anything up on ITunes. Which would mean a lot of porn, a lot of crappy aps, and a lot of questionably programmed aps. That is supposedly what is happening on the Android marketplace, which is part of the basis behind Jobs "If you want porn, get an android" quote.

    That same closed environment is what Adobe doesn't care for, since it doesn't allow for flash.

    It's two different things, but based around the same argument.
     
  13. jtara macrumors 65816

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    What's ridiculous is the current state of embedded video in web browsers - that to play embedded video requires a non-open third-party programming platform. The only standards issue SHOULD be that of codecs - the industry needs to pick a damn codec and make it open (H.264 is a great codec, but still needs a license which is why it isn't coming to Firefox any time soon).

    But, we need to drag-along a several-hundred megabyte programming platform just to be able to start/stop/pause/position the video? Really?

    As an interim, Apple should allow Adobe to provide them with a compatible Flash Video player - written, of course, in Objective-C. Yes, many sites use custom players, but the vast majority just use the default Adobe-supplied player.

    In the mean time, the industry needs to sort-out the real solution, which includes HTML 5 and removing licensing roadblocks.
     
  14. TuffLuffJimmy macrumors G3

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    There are already tons of crappy apps and poorly programmed apps. So what's your point?
    I disagree. The android app store has far fewer fart apps and seems pretty nice. My mom has an Android phone and has found tons of high quality apps.
     
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    I had an Android phone for more than a year. The marketplace has many fart apps, flashlights, etc., and many porn apps, and added daily.
     
  16. antiprotest macrumors 65816

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    Yep.

    Flash should just give up and die.
     
  17. funkeruski macrumors regular

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    Steve is going to remain stiff on this issue to prevent anyone from going back door on him as far as apps go.
     
  18. antiprotest macrumors 65816

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    Yeah. Good.
     
  19. TuffLuffJimmy macrumors G3

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    That's just the impression I got from it. Perhaps the store is just set up better so I don't have to wade through all that ****.
     
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    In light of the porn talk, that right there was funny, I don't care who ya are!
     
  22. antiprotest macrumors 65816

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    I hope Steve stays stiff forever.
     
  23. antiprotest macrumors 65816

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    Right. I suppose you never have to see many of them if you choose certain categories, like News, etc. But for a long time I checked the "Recently added" list daily, and so I noticed these apps.
     
  24. JayMysterio macrumors 6502

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    I take it you're being intentionally disagreeable. The point is that companies often use the closed environment to control not only what gets on their systems but the quality as well. M$ does it with XBox Live, Sony in a fashion does it with PSN, and Apple follows suit. No company wants their product blatantly associated with porn, when trying to cater to the mainstream market. No company wants to leave their systems available to hacking or modding if they can help it. They want to simplify the user experience, so mostly all have the same safe experience. Is this generic, and somewhat stifling? Yes. But it keeps the company in control of their product.

    Like Jobs said, if you don't like it, go somewhere else. Don't like IPhones or the ITunes marketplace, there is Android apps, or M$. No one forces a consumer what product to get, but once a consumer does choose a product they may find themselves forced to accept it's operating conditions.

    As mentioned afterwards, you really didn't check the Android marketplace to carefully. Just wanted to make a disagreeing point.

    No one has an issue with anyone disagreeing, it seems that disagreeing just to disagree is kind of pointless.
     
  25. spinedoc77 macrumors G3

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    We still buy the product, Apple can release whatever they want as a private for profit company. Last I checked they weren't the government or a non profit which had to watch out for the greater good of society.

    Apple will do what it does based on profit, you can be very certain that if they determined they could have higher profit by having flash they would do it in a heartbeat. Jedi Jobs talk about a "pure" purpose is complete BS, whether the flash feud is based on something personal, profit driven, or if Jobs really is an altruistic CEO, it doesn't seem to be affecting sales in the least.
     

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