Is the US becoming a totalitarian state?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by NiKeZz, Jul 15, 2013.

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Is the US becoming a totalitarian state?

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  2. No

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  3. No idea

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  1. NiKeZz macrumors 6502

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  2. Technarchy macrumors 603

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    Hmm...

    "Totalitarianism (or totalitarian rule) is a term employed by some political scientists to describe a political system in which the state holds total authority over the society and seeks to control all aspects of public and private life whenever necessary"

    Certainly seems like the roadmap we are on. Not today, not tommorrw but in the works sure.

    Short term we are a pseudo-democratic plutocracy more than a democratic republic.
     
  3. TheHateMachine macrumors 6502a

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    I agree with this and it was along the lines of what I would say.

    We aren't there yet but it seems like we are on our way in some aspects.
     
  4. NiKeZz thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Thanks for the response, do you think this is something that the people of our government are really working towards? Is there anything that we can do as citizens to try and divert the ship, or is it too late?
     
  5. NickZac macrumors 68000

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    Yes, I think we are moving in that direction and partly because both of the major political parties seem to be OK with repressing Constitutional Rights on conditional matters. While not becoming a totalitarian state necessarily as that is rather extreme, the function of a central power in everyday life has dramatically changed over the past 100 years (partly due to necessity and partly due to choice). I also think the tendency of criminalizing disagreement reflects a desire for a dominant ideology in which other ideologies are seen inferior or even uncivilized, and the 'live-and-let-live' concept has been dying off. Some of the accusations people make against others they barely even know is just absolutely ridiculous and reflects a lot of personal anger, and sometimes even hatred. Some people from any and every demographic background seem to blame someone else as essentially 'taking over' or establishing some sort of social control and we have become a scapegoat society that sits on our ass rather than taking action, and it wasn't always that way. Further, the disagreement in basic functions of the State are about as opposite in spectrum as they come, and the country seems to be moving away from a country of moderate people to a country of a highly divided population. I'm not sure how divided other Western nations are, but it seems the US is very divided and that divide is widening rather than shrinking...how bad is that if it is true?...that I do not know.

    Economic recession has also seemed to historically intensify all of the above, and in the current point-in-time, there is a lot of economic hardship. This is intensified by a lot of poor older people and a growing population of veterans whom are unable to work due to their tours of combat, and society seems to be about 25 years behind on what should be done about this. Further, the division of wealth has really gotten divided in the past 25 years relative to the other 200-some of American history, and the middle class, the class that has historically defined America and being American, is rapidly shrinking as the country continually moves from a goods-producing to a goods-consuming and service/service sector-producing society. I look at that as a major shift in population dynamics and I would even go as far to argue that a shrinking middle class and the major changes in work is enough in and of itself to throw a country into an identity crisis in which conflict is unavoidable.
     
  6. zin macrumors 6502

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    Stop voting for the same people to sail the ship.
     
  7. aerok macrumors 65816

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    Some people seem to relate social movements and changes to totalitarian changes.

    Gay rights, totalitarian!
    Universal Healthcare, totalitarian!
    Firearm ban, totalitarian!
    Women's right, totalitarian!
    Scularity, totalitarian!
     
  8. NiKeZz thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Well the people I voted for are not in office, but that's not here nor there.
     
  9. Technarchy, Jul 15, 2013
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    Consciously? For the most part no, but they are obtuse and refuse to acknowledge the dangers of an inflated bureaucracy. Bureaucracies are control engines, and as they are introduced and grow, they will want more influence over what you do, and how you do it. This is exactly why government needs to be kept as small as possible.


    1. Dissolve the current political power structure by booting every single incumbent. 100%, complete scorched earth, no one is spared. This breaks up the insider clubs, wrecks the lobbyist inner circles, and gets all the bureaucracy cronies under new scrutiny, which makes it harder for them to exert blanket power over the citizenry.
    2. Then shrink the government by limiting the number of federal employees to .9% of the total labor force.
    3. Produce an actual budget rather than just spending. Make those in power accountable for how they spend our money.
    4. End hodgepodge bills that are jammed with unrelated pork and pet projects. A bill about feeding the poor should not have provisions for abortion, defense spending and immigration reform just for the sake of getting votes.
    5. Make every single bill get read on the floor of the house and senate and made available to the people to review for 72hrs prior to being voted on.
    6. Make every law passed applicable to every single federal employee including elected officials, meaning the President as well.

    We need more 1960's style John Birch Society and Students for a Democratic Society thinking, over this milksop party hack zealotry that rose dramatically during George Bush I, and skyrocketed during Clinton because all it does is destroy civil liberty through bureaucratic manipulation to maintain power.
     
  10. NiKeZz thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Not sure if this is a personal attack in a mildly joking form to anyone here, but regardless I will respond. None of your listed social movements had any part in my thoughts of asking this question.
     
  11. Macky-Mac macrumors 68030

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    perhaps he was suggesting that there's actually been an expansion of individual liberties instead of a movement towards less ?
     
  12. tshrimp macrumors 6502

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    Nice way to put it, but yes we seem to be heading that direction without a doubt.
     
  13. citizenzen Suspended

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    People give in to paranoia too easily.
     
  14. NiKeZz thread starter macrumors 6502

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    He/She very well could have meant that.
     
  15. Technarchy macrumors 603

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    The danger being that most people are so myopic, and dim they can't fathom that most political agendas are nothing more than placating soma while massive blanket encroachments are happening against freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom of assembly, privacy, due process, property, self-incrimination...etc.

    As if gaining universal healthcare and gay rights and not getting your records intercepted by the NSA, or not being indefinitely detained or drone-striked are mutually exclusive.
     
  16. Kurwenal macrumors 6502a

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    Does that mean the Trilateral Commission is no longer in charge?

    It's hard to keep up sometimes.
     
  17. aerok macrumors 65816

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    I was not aimed towards you beacuse I do not know your opinion on this but to some people that generally think socialism is the same as totalitarian.
     
  18. Mousse macrumors 68000

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    The New World Order/Illuminati/Free Masons/Wisemen/Big Brother controls the information. The censor what they want hidden and reveal what the want the public to believe. With such control They manipulate the masses into thinking what They wants the masses to think. Who ever you decide to vote for, it won't matter, since They have already decided on a puppet.

    Welp, I guess I'm head back to Room 101 of the Ministry of Love.:eek: The Thinkpol (Thought Police) should be knocking at my door any minute now...any minut...
     
  19. citizenzen Suspended

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    Give us a better way to vote good people in, such as proportional representation and meaningful campaign finance reforms.
     
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    Things like FISA and PRISM sure make it seem that way.

    But the thing is, they're not doing a very good job of keeping us under control with them. PRISM is scary, but hell, we all know about it now, roughly half of us are pissed off about it, and we have companies suing the government over it.

    If the government is actively trying to create a totalitarian state behind our backs, they're doing an incredibly crappy job of it.
     
  21. Andeavor macrumors 6502

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    If you're talking intelligence then yes, the US is very much striving for policing the internet air travel, foreign countries and knowing everything about their citizens, their neighbors, friends, relatives and everyone's grandmothers overseas and on the moon.
     
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    Wasn't there a 'vote the bastards out' movement a few years ago?
     
  23. G51989 macrumors 68030

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    Maybe not today, but the US is heading towards corporate dictatorship rapidly.

    Big business, the super rich, and wall street buy and pay for every candidate who has a chance of winnning on the ballot. They work for their donors, not the American people.
     
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  25. aerok macrumors 65816

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    I am, and yes I understand what totalitarian state means. I majored in political science.
     

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