Is this answer true?

Discussion in 'General Mac Discussion' started by tech4all, Jul 23, 2004.

  1. tech4all macrumors 68040


    Jun 13, 2004
    On another forum someone asked what the difference between a Mac and PC was. Here is an answer someone gave them:

    "You can't use Apple products w/ anything but other Apple products most PC components are compatable with other pc u can only by Apple stuff from Apple so they get all the money while Microsoft and IBM are more just about supplying ppl their stff at a reasonable price..."

    Is any of that true? I know PCs have more hardware/software that is compatable, but they're making it sound like you could only use Apple stuff on a Mac. I know its a basic question, but I'm just curious to what you guys think of it.
  2. Koree macrumors 6502

    Jun 19, 2004
    Yeah if your talking only about the motherboard proccessor

    I mean sheesh,

    You don't have to get ram from apple. Use! Nvidia and Radeon make video cards for apple, and they aren't apple ^^, you can use cd drives that aren't made by apple. Keyboard mouse and all that stuff you can use just about anything a pc uses. I use a samsung monitor with my G4, thats not apple. (though they often work with apple, samsung) Though of course you really can't buy only a motherboard and case with apples.

  3. Finiksa macrumors 6502a


    Feb 23, 2003
    That's largely a load of FUD, most Apple peripherals (keyboards, mice, iPod, Airport Express etc.) work with Wintel PCs. And a lot of Wintel peripherals are compatible with Macs, though the company making them would have to write Mac drivers for them (and in some cases firmware) which is the cause of most incompatibility.

    Internal components like hard drives, optical drives and memory are standard designs which work on either platform.
  4. whooleytoo macrumors 604


    Aug 2, 2002
    Cork, Ireland.
    Once upon a time, it was more or less true. But now Apple have switched to standards across the board.. USB (instead of ADB/Serial) so you can use PC mice, keyboards, USB hubs, digital cameras etc. without installing any drivers. Firewire (instead of SCSI) lets you use external hard drives, digicams etc., again without any drivers. VGA, then DVI (instead of Apple's original video connector and ADC) means you have a much greater choice of monitors, and you can use Apple monitors on PCs. IDE (instead of internal SCSI, because it's cheaper and more common.)

    That answer is out of date! ;)
  5. michaelrjohnson macrumors 68020

    Aug 9, 2000
    In a word: No.

    In a phrase: Not so much anymore.

    Full out sentences: As described above, it *used* to be true. Everything Apple was proprietary from the cases, motherboards, RAM, peripherals, software... you name it, Apple had it made especially for them. On a side note, that's one of the things Steve Jobs "fixed" when he returned to Apple. He essentially killed of all existing products (over the course of a year or so), and then, Apple released the iMac; which was the first massmarketed PC to include USB. From then on, Apple has supported standards quite often. It's a 180 degree turn from their past... then again, they had no money, and now they have $5 Billion in the bank. I guess they made the right decision! ;)
  6. KingSleaze macrumors 6502

    Feb 24, 2004
    So. Cal
    Okay, everybody else has covered the hardware side. On the software side, there is the original operating system provided with each. Most PC's ship with Windows (you can get them with some variant of Linux as well), Mac's (which are Personal Computers [PC's] as well) ship with Mac OS. Both machines can run various other OS's. Programs written for use in one OS will not work on a machine running a different OS, unless it is also running an emulator (running Windows programs on a Mac using Virtual PC).
  7. Fender2112 macrumors 65816


    Aug 11, 2002
    Charlotte, NC
    "Power Mac G5 dual 2Ghz : 1.5GB ram : 20" Apple Cinema Display : OS X 10.3.4"

    With a signature like this I have a feeling you alrerady know the answer. ;)
  8. MacsRgr8 macrumors 604


    Sep 8, 2002
    The Netherlands
    :) At least, I hope so!
  9. jimsowden macrumors 68000


    Sep 6, 2003
    People use apple things with their mac because they are simply the best. Why get a NEC monitor, when the apple monitor is better?
    Nuff said.
  10. Sayer macrumors 6502a


    Jan 4, 2002
    Austin, TX
    Some people are implying that before USB on the iMac *everything* had to be from Apple. This is so not true.

    I have been a Mac user since 1986. I have used third-party mice, keyboards, hard disks, RAM, zip drives and video cards in a variety of Macs that predate the iMac.

    In fact my first Power Mac came with a third-party ADB keyboard, Apple only included the mouse at that time.

    There were a ton of video card makers, scanner makers and other peripheral products for the Mac, far far more than today even with USB/FireWire.

    ADB was much better than PS2 in that you could use more than one device per port (rather like USB). SCSI drives didn't need drivers most of the time unless they were formatted with some off-beat software for encryption or compression features. In fact SCSI drives had a hidden partition just for storing drivers so that they could be bootable. Zip disks did this as well.

    About the only real issue was with Parallel Printer interface devices that lacked a serial port or PS/2 peripherals which were more commodity/cheap than what the elite Mac crowd used anyway. And any special device made with a standard interface but no Mac software/driver support.

    PCI was standard in Macs long before Jobs returned. Video moved off the motherboard onto video cards as did the CPU before Jobs returned. Apple even had a UNIX-based OS before purchasing NeXT.

    The Mac world of today is a thin shadow of what used to be. The Mac used to be the dominant platform for a wide range of industries. We had so many specialized products and software for doing so much stuff it was insane that anyone could make money off their sales.

    Things are getting better now, but we are still a generation or so behind Wintel (USB 2.0 took forever to get on the Mac side as did Serial ATA, better AGP graphics support).

    We still have virtually zero Audio support for 5.1 or better from a third-party addon. Graphics cards are still weak and limited (no workstation-class cards at all, no All-in-wonders).
  11. slughead macrumors 68040


    Apr 28, 2004
    "Proprietary" Apple computer features which had good excuses:

    SCSI : PCs used IDE which was slow and crappy, so Apple used SCSI instead

    NuBus: PCs used ISA which was slow and crappy, so Apple used NuBus

    DB-15 Monitor: PCs used the old school VGA, which couldn't handle jack **** for bandwidth, so Apple used low density DB-15. High Density DB-15 (today's standard VGA plug) hadn't been invented yet.

    SCSI (instead of Parallel ports): SCSI was way faster, and could handle anything from external drives to scanners to printers in a daisy chain with no hub.

    No excuses, Apple was just stupid:

    PowerPC instruction set: x86 works fine, though the risc/cisc argument was alive and well back then.

    ADB: Again, PS/1/2 worked fine. In fact, PS/2 was about 9 billion times better than ADB.

    On-board Video cards: This was a common tactic back in the early 90's to save money and make more money later when people were forced to buy a new computer to upgrade the video card. PC manufacturers ended up not benefitting from the latter, but since Apple used proprietary cards, it did this until 1998.

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