Is this the first antifa member mass killing?

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    Dayton shooter Connor Betts may be antifa’s first mass killer

    “Betts had long expressed support for antifa accounts, causes and individuals. That would be the loose network of militant leftist activists who physically attack anyone to the right of Mao in the name of “anti-fascism.” In particular, Betts promoted extreme hatred of American border enforcement“Kill every fascist,” the shooter declared in 2018 on twitter, echoing a rallying cry of antifa ideologues. Over the next year, his tweets became increasingly violent. “Nazis deserve death and nothing else,” he tweeted last October. Betts frequently flung the label “Nazi” at those with whom he disagreed online.

    By December, he reached out on Twitter to the Socialist Rifle Association, an antifa gun group, to comment about bump stocks, and the SRA responded to him. (A bump stock is an attachment for semiautomatic rifles that allow them to fire much faster.)

    In the months leading to his rampage, Betts expressed a longing for climactic confrontation. In response to an essay by Intercept writer Mehdi Hassan titled, “Yes, Let’s Defeat or Impeach Trump—but What If He Doesn’t Leave the White House?” the shooter wrote: “Arm, train, prepare.”

    https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/dayton-shooter-may-be-antifas-first-mass-killer/
     
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    I'm sure there are quite a bit of folks on the rabid right hoping he is.
     
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    Seems like he was a crazed alt-left individual. Antifa should call him out and denounce his actions. The same with Elizabeth Warren if she hasn't already.
     
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    You know what the alt-left would say,
    THERE IS NO ‘ALT-LEFT’ – THERE ARE JUST WE THE PEOPLE SEEKING JUSTICE FOR ALL
     
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    It's interesting to me that here with this person possibly having a tie of any kind to Antifa, the whole thing about mental health isn't thrown about as much suddenly. At best he's "crazed", but mental health isn't the issue, even if he does have a history or it.

    https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts-girlfriend-adelia-johnson/
    It seems like when a person does something racially motivated, that person was sick and needed help. Although racism has zero to do with mental health. But the guy who legally purchased firearms, was noted to have mental issues, is not such a mental health issue, and more "crazed".

    Interesting.
     
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    Is there any evidence of him attempting to attach any kind of ideological intent or message to the shooting?
     
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    Take it up with the President and his reasoning for using mental illness as an excuse. This dude clearly wasn’t a racist. He was a psychopath with a firearm. He felt like a God during his short lived fantasy. From what I have been reading about the shooter makes that perfectly clear. It still doesn’t hide the fact that he was a supporter for Antifa, he favored Elizabeth Warren, he hated Trump and the republican party, and he was an atheist that hated Christians. Just because there have been more instances with white supremacists committing these acts of terror, does not give this dude a free pass. The msm needs to identify the shooter for what he really is/was.
     
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    I don't have to take it up with just him.

    There's a fair bit about him having mental health issues, which is the favored go to when discussing gun control issues. I just know that for the far right, they will need, they will want this shooter to be tied to Antifa, no matter how remotely. This one man's mental issues will SUDDENLY not be an issue, instead this one shooter who the right will decide is tied to Antifa, will someone match ALL the other mass shootings done by far right racists. Which is desperate.

    When discussions about mass shootings occur ( and sadly they will occur again & again ), when it's mentioned that there is a rise & it is predominantly done by racist white males, there will be an instant knee jerk response... Betts!!!

    I have to take up with anybody/everybody that is cynically imagining this is their chance! "We're done talking about mental health, NOW it's crazed radical leftists! I told you Antifa needs to be labelled terrorists! See they did A mass shooting!! Arrrgghh!

    It's desperate and it shows. Even worse, it won't matter to some how little he is tied to Antifa or Warren, all that will matter to them is there was perceived tie. That's my issue. Racists leave manifestos, it was a mental health thing. Everyone else from this point on, for the right, he liked a democrat... "ANTIFA!"
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    After reading discussions of mass shooters here for years, it’s interesting how perceptions change. It wasn’t long ago there’s be an argument that white mass school shooter would be called mentally ill but a Muslim mass shooter would be called a terrorist. Now it seems permissible for a mass shooter to be called mentally ill if they’re not a terrorist.

    I’ve been a long time believer that in many cases of these mass shootings the perpetrators are indeed mentally ill. Most sane people won’t go off on indiscriminate killing sprees like this.

    It’s quite clear the Dayton shooter had a very troubled history and upsetting that his violence was predictable. Too many red flags so to speak.

    My concern is the extreme rhetoric used to condemn white supremacists and by extension trump and all republics will inspire violence of the mentally ill with more left learning ideologies. I’m not saying that’s what happened in the case of the Dayton killer. But the fires are being stoked on both sides and it needs to stop.
     
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    This is Murika. The only way to threat mental health is through jail. That said he was seriously stupid during his HS years and fell through the cracks like the parkland shooter
     
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    Did he commit the crime in the name of Antifa? Does Antifa support killing family members and blacks?
     
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    It seems if it is right leaning or pro 45 like the NY Post, they think they see evidence.

    Otherwise...
    https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...-do-we-know-connor-betts-politics/1942122001/
    Or if you're taking your cues from the president...
    A tie maybe seen from the photos retweeted from an account that might have belonged to Betts.
     
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    I totally disagree with this line of opinionating based on twitter posts and so on, the same way I hate when people opinionate on newspapers when it's time to blame someone/something on the right.
    As of now, we have no idea of the motive. We have no idea if he was on drugs. We have no idea if he planned this. The fact that he was following Antifa, Warren, socialists, doesn't make any of them attached to the awful action until the investigators tell us so.
    For all we know he could have flipped because his ex girlfriend told him "no" once more.
     
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    You might want to address mental illness in your post, something that all mass shooters share. I’m prepared for the argument that this is rage, not insanity, but I’m happy to argue that anyone who is willing to shoot multiple strangers in a symbolic, meaningless, and violent, murderous act, effectively end their lives in the process is mentally ill.
     
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    All true. This is why when something is unknown, reasonable people ask questions, look for evidence and if enough pieces start fitting together, use wounds like “alleged” or “may be.”
     
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    I think that after an event of this kind we should wait for more info from the LEO's before speculating. It takes a bit for them to receive info from their scientific bureaus, let alone to have a decent idea of what happened.
     
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    Imagine a world where everyone did that.
     
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    "Antifa" isn't really a thing.

    It's a word: Short for "anti-fascist." I'm anti-fascist. I hope you too are anti-fascist. Fascism, as an ideology and political system, has a pretty bad track record.

    I know some people in this country would like to turn Antifa into some sort of bogeyman, but it just doesn't work. There is no organisation or ideology behind it.

    Some people show up to protest when neoNazis and white supremacists march in the streets. Some of them call themselves Antifa. Some of them don't.

    The antifa idea isn't against any particular race, sexual orientation, ethnicity. It's against fascism.

    There is little reason, and precisely no evidence, that the Dayton shooter killed because of his political beliefs. A closer look at his history suggests he shot up a bar and entertainment area (including his own sister) because he had a couple of arrests/convictions for drunk or intoxicated driving. If that represents a political ideology, it's one I'd call "drunk driver violent tantrum." Not one I think that would get widespread support from too many people.
     
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    Antifa commonly harasses people that openly disagree with leftist ideology. Only a very small percentage of the people that antifa mobs attack could reasonably be considered fascist.
    Antifa is not just against fascism, like any rational person or group would be. In fact, they employee many fascist tactics.
     
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    Another ICE facility shooting and video of the previous terror attack.
     

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