ISIS fighters seize weapons airdrops meant for Kurds

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  1. Solomani macrumors 68030

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    I don't think it is a surprise that this happened. If we are sending weapons into this area there is no way to guarantee that none of them will end up in the hands of IS.
     
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    Someone is following the wrong #hashtag. :D
     
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    I'm surprised.

    Who is the OIC who signed off on this?

    We can move a secure pipeline of equipment to the Kurds from secure areas, or through turkey.

    Who are the assets on the ground, because there is zero chance in hell we did a blind drop.

    I can think of lots of good reasons this might happen, but none have anything in common with what the thread title implies
     
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    Wait a minute. How come no one is checking if the Kurds have an open carry license?:p
     
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    Surprised that **** happens in war?

    Not me.

    War is **** just waiting to happen.
     
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    Turkey won't allow arms through their border and the nearest secure area is held by the Kurds in Iraq every thing in-between is IS.So an airdrop was necessary the fact that one lot got seized by IS is neither here nor there one thing they ain't short of is arms.
    It's still touch and go for Kobani and IS are calling all their forces in the area to try and capture it before the Syrian Kurds that have been fighting in Iraq arrive to reinforce them (Turkey under great pressure from the US has said they'll let them through [ i'll believe them when it happens]).
    The fighters in Kobani are fast running out of ammo and before the airdrop were desperate straights.
    I wish all the best in the world to the men and women fighting IS in Kobani one glimmer of hope in a huge depressing **** up.
    (by the way the field commander in Kobani is a woman)

    Edit: by the way the YPG fought their way out of the city and secured an area for the airdrop got nearly all the equipment and retreated back into the city.
     
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    Well, look on the bright side. This means we can get another shipment and give it to the Kurds. More money for the defense contractors to make! :D

    :rolleyes::mad:
     
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    This was reported days ago by the US. Out of 27 bundles dropped, one went astray, and a US plane shot up most of it anyway. A very minor cock-up in the major scheme of things.
     
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    Minor unless you're on the business end of one of those misplaced weapons.
     
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    I'm sure a Republican President wouldn't have been so careless.
     
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    he would have boots on the ground like yesterday, still waiting for the say we actually get some one who is anti war in office, all these POS war mongering chicken hawks disgust me.
     
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    they have no shortage of weapons. it makes no difference to them.

    obviously it would be better that 100% of weapons go where you want them to go, but once you decide you are going to send weapon, which one do you think is the better approach?

    send "2" in a way that it is certain that they both get there safely, or send "20" and allow for "3" to be captured by the enemy (numbers purely indicative)?

    the primary aspect here is getting the weapons to the kurds, not keeping weapon out of ISIS's hand. that said, it is obvious you try to do both, which they did.
     
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    You mean the USAF can't seem to do anything right in Syria-Iraq...

    Seriously, C-17's were probably conducting the airdrops, and they would have done it from above 15,000 feet. It's hard to be accurate from that altitude. But there is no way we'd risk a C-17 by going in any lower. ISIS has some pretty decent AA ordnance.

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    No doubt they dropped a $35,000 GBU on a wooden crate filled with old AK's. :p
     
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    It may be well known I'm not sure but the arms dropped were not from the US they were in line with what the PYG already have and were sourced from Albania.
     
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    Many years ago I remember being told that during WWII.

    When the British bombed the Germans ducked.
    When the Germans bombed the British ducked.
    When the Americans bombed EVERYBODY ducked.:p
     
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    The issue of Turkey and the Kurds is an interesting one. Apparently a lot of people don't realize how much this has affected the way things have played out in the region over the last 25 years.
     
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    It's a good example of 'damned if you do'

    Had the USAF lost a C-130 (that's what the NYT says was used in Kobani) to AA fire because the crew were trying to ensure all the weapons went to the Kurds, people would be criticizing the administration.

    If the USAF flies higher, knowing that a container could drift off-course, people freak out about the lost weapons, even if those weapons were rendered useless.

    I'm not sure. One article made it sound like there was a strafing run, another made it sound like they dropped a bomb on it.

    Daesh (ISIS/ISIL) are pretending that they seized some of the crates, but based on the video, I'd say they're parading around some junk they found.

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    Yeah, today's announcement that the Turks would let persh merga fighters cross the border into Syria is certainly interesting.

    Wouldn't it be interesting if the war against Daesh (ISIS/ISIL) ended up creating Kurdistan.
     
  22. Solomani thread starter macrumors 68030

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    The USA should support the Kurdish ambition for an independent Kurdish Republic.

    Grab some land from Kurdish Iraq. Grab some land form Kurdish Syria. Take some land from Kurdish-majority south-eastern Turkey. Grab a bit of Kurdish-populated land from Iranian Kurdistan. And then drop a nuke on whoever complains first. :D
     
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    If the U.S. tried to take part of Turkey, it might have to invade itself to honour its treaty obligations to a NATO ally.
     
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    We have small bits and pieces we send over there now but all along it's probably been designed as a gradual buildup in the Iraq/Syria region designed as another occupation force.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugMmyBUKRy4

    Video shows what I saw a lot in days leading up to Kuwait. But no, not end of world, or government out to shoot liberals and/or tea partiers, but a likely long occupation of parts of Iraq and Syria. My guess.
     

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