It seems that other manufacturers like Dell offer more power than Apple

Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by mmoran27, Apr 8, 2009.

  1. mmoran27 macrumors 6502

    Oct 23, 2006
    Apple does not ust the Core 2 Quad for anything. Dell Offers it. Also high-res RGB LED backlighting, 16GB memory, etc.

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  2. lscangus macrumors 6502

    Jul 29, 2003
    Newcastle, UK
  3. mmoran27 thread starter macrumors 6502

    Oct 23, 2006
    Their 15 inch has the same quad core processor and weighs about 5 pounds

    That's just as light as a 15 MBP.
  4. DAMNiatx macrumors 6502a


    Jan 20, 2009
  5. iLog.Genius macrumors 601


    Feb 24, 2009
    Toronto, Ontario
    Hah, it's not anything new. It's been proven that you can always an alternative of an Apple computer at a lower price. There is a reason why we call it an "Apple Tax". :D
  6. barkomatic macrumors 68040

    Aug 8, 2008
    It used to be if you compared an Apple laptop spec for spec with a PC from any manufacturer the prices would actually be the same--making it easy to decide on Apple.

    Sadly, that hasn't been the case for awhile and Apple has started to lag signficantly behind their competitors in spec by spec comparisons. Don't even get my started on Blu-ray. For some reason its a "bag of hurt" for Apple but every other laptop maker has figured out how to make it work.

    The premium for an aluminum case and Mac OSX gets higher and higher every month. I think Apple is tired of making traditional laptop and desktop machines--it really shows. There is much more money to be made in handheld devices these days.

    I'm not sure I'd go with a Dell, but the new Sony Vaios look nice. If Apple hasn't straightened itself out by the time I'm ready to replace my 1st gen MBP I might be tempted to switch back when Windows 7 is out.
  7. dejo Moderator


    Staff Member

    Sep 2, 2004
    The Centennial State
    The above quoted Dell laptop doesn't come with Blu-ray. Just sayin'.
  8. Kronie macrumors 6502a


    Dec 4, 2008
    Yea, but then you would have a plastic Dell that runs Vista. No thanks.
  9. instaxgirl macrumors 65816


    Mar 11, 2009
    Edinburgh, UK
  10. kolax macrumors G3

    Mar 20, 2007
    Offer more power in their laptops, but the price for that Dell you listed will be ridiculous.
  11. Subwaymac macrumors regular


    Apr 1, 2009
    You can get a HP laptop that has the specs of a mac for like 1099 or less. But I don't want another pc. For 3200 you can get a crazy powerfull HP. The problem is it makes so much heat and has about 45 mins of battary life. For some reason. I want to spend 4k on a loaded macbook pro.
  12. darngooddesign macrumors G3

    Jul 4, 2007
    Atlanta, GA
    (Dell's) Preliminary weight starting at: 8.5lbs

    15" MBP is 5.5lbs.

    3 pounds more.
  13. kolax macrumors G3

    Mar 20, 2007
    No you can't. You can get a 17" laptop, but same specs... no chance.
  14. barkomatic macrumors 68040

    Aug 8, 2008
    This particular Dell does not but in general, even mid-priced PC laptop now include Blu-ray--and not even high end Apple desktops or laptops have it. It's only one example of Apple's lagging tech value, screen resolution, included RAM and hard drive size are others.

    One thing Apple still has over the competition are the Applestores. It's nice to be able to take your computer with you to a physical location to be fixed and consult with someone. However, the quality of the geniuses seems to be declining as they are just spewing out stock answers to things they don't really understand well.
  15. apersianboyCOM macrumors 6502

    Dec 28, 2008
    London, UK
  16. aiterum macrumors 6502


    Nov 17, 2007
    United States
    I feel the same way honestly. The MBP that I have is nice and all, but the premium that I paid for it to look nice and to run OSX was really not worth it in the extra cost.
  17. darngooddesign macrumors G3

    Jul 4, 2007
    Atlanta, GA
    Buying refurb eliminates a lot of that premium, and its as good as new.
  18. Patriks7 macrumors 65816


    Oct 26, 2008
    Yeah, and lets not even get started about the thickness and materials (plastic vs alu)
    I also just went to Dell and took a Studio 17 and made it as close as I could to the 17 MBP. The price came out to be a bit more, but it's still incomparable due to it not having a good graphics card and also as said before the materials are kinka crap in Dells.
  19. dsnort macrumors 68000


    Jan 28, 2006
    In persona non grata
    Here's an article you may find interesting.

    On Blu-Ray:

    "The interest in upgrading to high-def players is only mild, and Blu-ray ownership won’t hit 25 percent of US households until the end of 2011, as reported by Reuters/Hollywood Reporter."

    "Disc ownership is down among Blu-ray owners compared to first-time DVD owners, who owned nearly 30 titles at the same point in the adoption curve, according to the report. Blu-ray households own an average of three titles a piece."

    "Plus, since the vast majority of Blu-ray players are in homes because Sony has embedded them into the PlayStation 3 video game consoles, many consumers don’t seem to care that they even have a Blu-ray player."
  20. kastenbrust macrumors 68030


    Dec 26, 2008
    North Korea
    1) Theres no such thing as 'Apple Tax'. This has already been disproved

    2) You cant buy a Windows machine, such as a Dell with the same specs as any Mac for a cheaper price.

    3) Another pointless thread

  21. dlhuss macrumors member

    Mar 16, 2009
    Dell Precisions are metal and thicker because they need it for all the extra stuff the MBP doesn't have and runs cool instead of frying nvidia graphic cards. Edit: They are about equivalent in price (Dell is slightly cheaper with the RGB screen+has 3-yr warranty. kastenbrust, you can ALWAYS find hardware cheaper than Mac), for the base 17" MBP, but you can extend that spec much further with the Precision. A maxed out MBP is about $400 more than the equivalent Precision and if you add 3-yr warranty, the Dell is $750 cheaper.

    Btw, you can get all that (except rgb screen) and more in a Thinkpad W700.

    To borrow from the camera world, I would call the MBP more of a prosumer laptop.
  22. mmoran27 thread starter macrumors 6502

    Oct 23, 2006
    This is not about apple tax

    You can't tax something that does not exist. Apple does not offer anything that can compete with these models.

    I am just stating that other manufacturers pro machines are really pro.

    Apples pro machines aren't. They are nice to look at and thin but cannot be considered pro or in the same league as the other laptop manufacturers pro offerings.

    At least the MacPro can be configured to be a Pro level machine. Not so with Macbook Pro.
  23. MTI macrumors 65816

    Feb 17, 2009
    Scottsdale, AZ
  24. Abstract macrumors Penryn


    Dec 27, 2002
    Location Location Location
    It's true, but when was a computer's OS and aesthetics value-less? Part of your money goes towards these things. Unless you're always buying RAW materials, what other product is the price based solely on the component costs? None. Everything from the value of the brand, to aesthetics, design, and specs are a factor. In the computing world, the OS is also a factor.

    Besides that, I don't consider any of Apple's laptops to be grossly overpriced when you consider the specs. You pay a bit more for a Mac laptop, but it's not that much more than machines from Dell, HP, Sony, Lenovo, Toshiba, etc. ;)

    The only exception is the 17" MBP, which you really do pay out the ass for. However, I think it's the best Mac laptop, and probably the only one worth paying >$2000 for. In this case, you just need to determine exactly how much you need the extra features of the 17" MBP. If these features aren't worth it, then buy one of the other laptops, which are more in-line with hardware from other manufacturers.
  25. miles01110 macrumors Core


    Jul 24, 2006
    The Ivory Tower (I'm not coming down)

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