It's Clinton or Rubio

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  1. 63dot macrumors 603

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    Outside of just looking at Iowa and New Hampshire, Clinton will probably defeat Sanders for democratic nomination and then take on Trump or Cruz and handily beat them in the general election. But Sanders would also do so but probably won't get past Clinton on the dem's side.

    But if Rubio pulls off a republican nomination win with what may still be a strong and deep pocket establishment, then he will squeak by a Clinton or Sanders in general election.

    Thoughts?

    My first choice for POTUS is Sanders, then Clinton, but I think if the GOP gets behind Rubio, then he will win.
     
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    Rubio would crush Hillary in the general. Bernie, I'm not so sure.
     
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    What makes you confident of that? Lower political baggage or something different? I always viewed Hilary as GOP-lite outside of her stance on firearms.
     
  4. LizKat macrumors 68040

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    I think Rubio could beat Clinton because too many people on both sides of the aisle dislike the idea of having a Clinton, both Clintons, in the White House again. As I have posted elsewhere I believe the Dems have way underestimated that dislike. I remain surprised that she has made the run, actually.
     
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    Rubio's risk is that he's a bit of an unknown, so something could come up during the campaign to scupper him.

    That is an especially large risk given he hasn't looked like a contender before really.
     
  6. LizKat macrumors 68040

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    It's true that Clinton has been vetted more thoroughly than anyone since Genghis Khan (sp? -- too lazy to look it up, my supper is almost burning, ta..)
     
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    Rubio (aka Jeb's lapdog) is probably the most dangerous choice for this country and the world. His corruption runs deeper than most people understand and he would bring about WW3 for his own profit.

    Sanders doesn't stand a chance in the general election, sorry. I really like him but I'm a white northeastern political centrist. No way he can win Ohio and Indiana, where he will be viewed as nothing more than the New York Jew.

    As fake and political as Hillary seems right now, she is the only hope this country has at continuing the damage control politics that President Obama has worked towards over the past 8 years. We're still far from recovered from what Bush did to us.
     
  8. nfl46 macrumors 603

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    EVERYONE and their mom knows Hillary will win on the Democratic side! Seriously, after Super Tuesday, it's basically DONE! Accept it.

    Now, on the GOP, I am picking Rubio to win.

    I am just curious as to who Hillary is picking as her VP.
     
  9. LizKat macrumors 68040

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    Hillary will reach across the aisle and pick Kasich. And win.

    (oh, did I leave off the :D ???)
     
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    Hillary is unelectable and Bernie is a socialist, if I were a Dem I would change parties to make sure you don't get a religious nutball in office.
     
  11. LizKat macrumors 68040

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    We should revisit this thread after Super Tuesday. All is not yet lost for the less far right GOP candidates, I have a feeling. Whether they can beat Clinton, I don't know. The right may run a third party choice and end up electing Clinton. The Greens may pull away some disenchanted Dems. The whole thing could go to the House and then the outcome is definitely a Republican in the White House.
     
  12. XrayTed macrumors regular

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    Not after his embarrassing robotic performance. Almost like a chip blew out in his brain or something.

     
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    Rubio was just awful. Like I said many times before, he's not smart, he's well coached. And the latter is certainly in dispute now.
     
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    In the short term, it raises questions about whether or not Rubio is ready for the main stage.
    In the long term, it will likely be forgotten.

    As for VP nods, I'd like to see Hillary choose Julian Castro (U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development). As a Democrat, the only GOP ticket I fear would be Rubio-Haley. She's been a mediocre governor of SC, but she had an exceptional 2015 in the way she handled the mass shooting in Charleston and the flooding throughout the state. And she got a lot of Democratic and African American support from removing the Confederate Flag from the statehouse.
     
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    Best reason NOT to pick Hillary :D.
     
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    Sure if you hate this country
     
  17. Plutonius macrumors 603

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    I agree 100%. A vote for Hillary is a vote against this country :D.
     
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    Rubio had a terrible night. On par with Obama's first debate with Romney. However, all he has to do is come in no worse than third in NH and then it's off to the much friendlier South.
     
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    Rubio embarrassed himself with his inability to do anything but repeat his Obama rhetoric.
     
  20. nfl46, Feb 7, 2016
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    Oh my at Rubio! Lol. That was awful! Hopefully it doesn't hurt him in the long-run. He has still young though. I believe he should have waited another 4 to 8 years, though.

    Did anyone catch all EVERY candidate including the moderators said Hillary would be in the general election? Lol. They always said, "When I run against Hillary in the general election." They didn't even acknowledge Bernie. :)
     
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    I agree 100% that you definitely hate
     
  22. 63dot, Feb 7, 2016
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    I so wish you were right, but what can come up at this point? With social media, tweets, even left wing attack sites, not to mention GOP candidates terribly afraid of Rubio's quick rise, there would have been something to take him down months ago. But what is there?

    He has the ability, even with his voting record being to the right of Cruz, to somehow come across as the establishment candidate. The GOP always only wins when it has an establishment candidate and never did well with Buchanan, Bachmann, Robertson, and Santorum. The Tea Party, or equivalent just doesn't do well in general elections so the GOP goes with the easiest way to get votes which is still establishment. But for the first time, the so-called candidate in the establishment camp is actually a right wing outsider. People don't realize that Rubio is against abortion where the life of the mother is at stake, or even in cases of incest and rape. How is that establishment? But the media continues to feed the public that he's the establishment guy who will take down the outsiders this cycle. In 2012, moderate establishment Romney took down right winger Santorum, and the country went for the likes of establishment Bush over right wing Buchanan.

    If Rubio, a Hispanic, picks a female candidate like East Asian governor Haley, then it's all over. Most of the conservative white vote will pull the lever just because is says (R) and just enough of the minority vote will see this as a double opportunity to again elect a minority but more importantly a minority who is a woman. Of course, you can't always fool the minority vote as a Cruz or Jindal or Carson just wouldn't come across as a person of color representing their interests.
     
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    Why? If you have real dirt you'd leave it until he has the nomination.
     
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    Edited for truth
     
  25. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    What are these, so called, damage policies?
     

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