It's not a baby

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  1. EvilQueen macrumors 6502

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  2. quagmire macrumors 603

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    All a pre-abortion ultrasound does is try to guilt trip the mother. It doesn't inform the mother of the risks of the abortion or anything related to the abortion. All it does is guilt trips her.

    I'm not saying I'm all for abortion. It shouldn't be seen as a form of birth control. I'm just against measures that try to take advantage of a woman's emotions.
     
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    What does your lack of ability to have a child have to do with other people getting abortions?
     
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    What indeed... Perhaps a our friend Willy could shed some light:

    "Of every hearer: for it so falls out
    That what we have we prize not to the worth
    Whiles we enjoy it, but being lack'd and lost,
    Why, then we rack the value, then we find
    The virtue that possession would not show us
    Whiles it was ours." -- Much Ado About Nothing Act IV, Scene 1.

    It does for the kid. They got the most to lose, yet doesn't get a vote in the matter.
     
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    Yeah, immaculate conception is a bitch.
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    Are you implying that women have no idea of what is inside them if they don't see ultrasound images?

    Although it's a very intimate and personal matter and nobody's business, I wish you good luck for your future family plans anyway.
     
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    I'm actually in total agreement with your assessment.

    It has toes, legs, arms, eyes and a head. It is a developing human being.

    And yet we still give mothers the choice to abort it, limited normally within the first trimester.


    I so glad I—or more accurately, my wife—didn't.
     
  10. Mac'nCheese macrumors 68030

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    Thank god someone finally had to courage to start a rational debate about abortion on macrumors. Maybe we'll have a gun control thread someday.
     
  11. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 603

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    So the unborn has more rights than the born(mother)?
     
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    More rights? No; I'm not sure where you're getting "more rights" from.

    But the right not to be killed should apply equally to both IMO.
     
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    I'd rather see a fetus 'killed' than a child nobody wants born into the world. In a realistic world, the cutoff point should be about 16 weeks.
     
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    On PRSI!?

    About abortion!?

    Hope springs eternal...
     
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    There's pretty much no such thing as "a child nobody wants" in the USA anymore.

    People are lined up, often waiting for years, for the chance to adopt a baby from anyone willing to give them the gift.
     
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    If only the forced-birthers cared as much about the post-born as they did about the pre-born...
     
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    "Forced-birthers" that's rich. We'll go with it for the sake of staying on topic...who's to say we don't? Broad brush much?

    And that's still not an excuse for murder, as the pro-death folks would like to see
     
  18. Michael Goff macrumors G3

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    Are you a rational pro-life person or one that only cares about the "baby" while it's still in the mother's body?

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    Murder is killing another human being, not a grouping of cells.
     
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    Wouldn't it need to be illegal to be "murder"?
     
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    "Another human being" is still nothing more than a clumping of cells when it comes right down to it. Intentional taking of a the life of another is murder, regardless of the stage of development the one to be killed happens to be in.
     
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    Pro-death, that's rich. Also, calling it murder is a lie. :)
     
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    It would need to be illegal to be a crime, in this country we have both illegal forms of murder and state sanctioned murder of human fetuses.

    One brings the harshest of punishments, the other is a protected (and sometimes celebrated) right.
     
  23. Michael Goff macrumors G3

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    You know what else takes the life of an unborn child? If the mother gets trauma to her stomach. As in ... the child isn't fully formed and isn't a fully live human being yet. There's a difference between me being a pile of cells and a pile of cells inside a body that gets nutrients from and depends on the life of the mother.

    So, yes, huge difference.
     
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    I'm just following your lead with the "forced birther's" comment.

    And what would you call the intentional ending of another (innocent and defenseless) individual's life against their will?
     
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    Wouldn't it need to be illegal to be "murder"?
     

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