It's NOT Enough!

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by fivepoint, Mar 10, 2011.

  1. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    While Democrats and Republicans bicker back and forth about whether to 'cut' 6 billion or 60 billion, there are a few lone voices in the legislature that actually realize the problem, and are actually willing to talk about it. Rand Paul is one of these voices and he gave a great speech yesterday which I think addresses the problems far more clearly than you'll get from any Elephant or Donkey on the hill. Take a moment and read it through. Many of you don't realize just how bad the problem is, but it's not necessarily your fault. There aren't many leaders out there that are willing to be so blunt and honest about the situation and to openly admit that neither side is trying hard enough to fix it.

    Listen Democrats, listen Republicans... It's NOT Enough! 6 billion isn't enough, 60 billion isn't enough, heck, even 600 billion isn't enough. We've got to cut entitlements, we've got to cut military, nothing is sacred. We must work harder, we must cut more, we must reconsider the scope of government and put ourselves back on a path towards fiscal sanity.

    Watch It:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMqcLQzD-aA

    Read It:
     
  2. R.Perez macrumors 6502

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    I suggest everyone give this a shot...

    http://public-consultation.org/exercise/

    This is a pretty cool exercise. I just fixed the US budget problems, and was able to increase spending on education, environmental protection, and assistance for low income families. All while shoring up social security and increasing benefits. Give it a shot everyone!

    Your budget deficit for 2015: Surplus of 221.9B
    Percentage of long term social security solved - 125%

    TAX THE RICH, TAX THE RICH oh and cut military spending by 80%

    Problem solved
     
  3. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    We have to raise taxes, and cut our military spending first and foremost. I say cut military before benefits because those benefits are the only thing keeping millions of our people from being third world status poor.
     
  4. R.Perez macrumors 6502

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    Check out the link I posted. You can actually design the budget yourself, it is pretty neat.
     
  5. Apple OC macrumors 68040

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    yes, yes, and No
     
  6. skunk macrumors G4

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    bd.jpg

    Piece of Cake

    ...including $30B for high speed rail, increased spending on alternative energy and education.
     
  7. Ugg macrumors 68000

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    The Pauls are nothing more than drama queens who distort facts for their own nefarious purposes.

    I'll be glad when their shrill, messianic voices are drowned out by voices of reason.
     
  8. Sydde macrumors 68020

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    Cool, I will have to check it out when I am using a computer instead of this iDropper.

    Oh, and 5P, you really should try to put out your hair.
     
  9. R.Perez macrumors 6502

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    NICE WORK, that was even better than mine. Question though, how much did you gut military spending?

    I reduced it to $100 Billion. Should still be plenty IMO as long as we aren't trying to uphold our global empire and keep fighting multiple wars.

    Id also like to add that I increased spending on veterans, so you can save the "you don't support the troops" crap, I dont want to hear it.

    Interesting anecdote, $100B is still more than every other country in the world. Go figure. So don't say I cut it too much, I didn't.

    Source:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
     
  10. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    The funny thing is that our current war spending doesn't put anything aside or even factor in the serious cash we're gonna have to drop on veteran benefits down the road. Thats a huge unaccounted for money pit, that MUST be paid for.
     
  11. skunk macrumors G4

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    I reduced military spending to $90B and increased Vets' aftercare, too. Major gain came from removing the cap on SS contributions completely.
     
  12. R.Perez macrumors 6502

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    Yeah did that too. I had a huge surplus before I started increasing spending on infrastructure, education, social programs and alternative energy. Priorities, priorities.
     
  13. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    So much of our budget problems are due our desire to rule the world through our military. No other solution makes as big an impact as drastically scaling back our "defense" spending.


    • Imagine if we spent as much as the rest of the world combined on Social Security.

    • Imagine if we spent as much as the rest of the world combined on Healthcare.

    • Imagine if we spent as much as the rest of the world combined on Welfare.

    Nobody would put up with that kind of gross excess.

    But for some reason, we keep shoving our money into the military... and our country keeps getting poorer... and poorer... and poorer.
     
  14. R.Perez macrumors 6502

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    The interesting fact is that we spend more per capita on healthcare than any other developed nation. Even France who's healthcare system is ranked #1 by the WHO.
     
  15. Apple OC macrumors 68040

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    cutting back on the Military is everyone's answer but mine ... careful what you wish for

    here is the new Security you all hope for
     

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  16. R.Perez macrumors 6502

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    I am waiting for 5pt. to come in here and start complaining about growth of government, class war, socialism etc...

    It will be proof that it is not about the debt, but purely about ideology.
     
  17. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    I froze spending on a lot of things, made relatively minor cuts to others and actually raised worthy stuff like veterans' benefits and clean energy research.

    Increased taxes moderately on those making $100,000-$1,000,000, but went whole hog on those making $1,000,000+. Returned the estate tax to 2001 levels (but wished I had the option to go a lot higher than that). Did not add a VAT tax.

    I did not lower defense spending as much as some of you. I went from $600b down to $400b.

    Removed the contribution limit on SS, but did not change benefits.

    All in all, my cutting was pretty damn conservative compared to what the tea stainers are screaming about. And I still came out with this:

    [​IMG]

    :p

    By the way, I'm shocked, shocked! at your signature.
     
  18. quagmire macrumors 603

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    I would have a $97 billion surplus.

    Raised the budget of NASA to $30 billion( I do believe manned space flight is important).

    Made some small cuts to other organizations up until Defense. Reduced our Defense budget to $471 billion.

    Pretty much halted any foreign military aid.

    Reduced Education a bit.

    Cut Justice a bit.

    Cut housing programs a bit

    Increased our transportation budget.

    Increased taxes 5% for people making $30K to $100K. Raised taxes 10% for $100K to $500K. Increased taxes by 30% for making above $500K.

    Increased the corporate income tax by 10%.

    Create a Carbon tax that will increase energy cost by $6 a month. Increase alcohol tax to 25 cents per ounce and tax sugary drinks 1 cent per ounce.
     
  19. Apple OC macrumors 68040

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    I like how Thomas V and Quagmire did theirs ... IMO reasonable
     
  20. quagmire macrumors 603

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    Seeing how I have a $97 billion surplus, I would go back and bring education back up and maybe increase it a bit.
     
  21. senseless macrumors 68000

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    The budget exercise lets you feel like a politician. I was disappointed that there was no entry box for my pork barrel projects and pay raise.
     
  22. R.Perez macrumors 6502

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    I glad you guys enjoyed this. I figured that exercise was the perfect counter to that neo-liberal nonsense that 5pt posted.
     
  23. SuperCachetes macrumors 6502a

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    Neat.

    I had a surplus of $476B and solved SS 100%. I gutted military, but I bumped up United Nations, alternative energy, education, medical research, and worker re-training.

    I also stopped just about all aid flowing out to other countries. I'll let Sally Struthers and the affluent private sector contribute if they want to... that is, if the affluent have anything left after the mondo taxes I dropped on them. :D
     
  24. Sydde macrumors 68020

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    Heh. Have you been reading AJE?
     
  25. Huntn macrumors G5

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    Do you realize how much the U.S. spends as compared to all of the other countries on this planet?

    2009 Military Budget Country Comparison
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