It's out for those who want to read it - Mueller Report

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  2. samcraig macrumors P6

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    Post some of your favorite quotes!

    Here's one of mine so far:

    "If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment. The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that prevent us from conclusively determining that no criminal conduct occurred. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."
     
  3. Raid macrumors 68020

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    Which in Trumpese is "Complete and Total EXONERATION!!1!!11!!!"

    The report is still down loading... I hope it's not one of those reports filled with black bars.
     
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    Here's another summary. Sorry - but with so many contacts and situations described, why didn't the campaign notify the FBI about Russia's desires?

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  5. linuxcooldude macrumors 68020

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    My take: We are expanding the definition of obstruction of justice to make the President look guilty although we found no evidence, we found no crime.
     
  6. samcraig macrumors P6

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    Re: Tower meeting. Looks like there was plenty of evidence. But that that it wouldn't be enough to convict Jr based on two factors. The latter basically suggesting that Jr was ignorant of the laws and so proving "WILLFULLY' would be a challenge.

    I didn't realize that being ignorant of laws excused prosecution. I'm sure a lot of people in prison would love the same consideration.
     
  7. Rhonindk thread starter macrumors 68040

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    Let me ask why ... That is asking for the "accused" to prove a negative. Prosecutors don't exonerate. You know what this sounds like? Weissman.

    I'll read it later today when work allows me the time.
     
  8. eatrains macrumors 6502

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    So there was Russian interference? But people kept saying that was fake news...
     
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    worked for Hillary...............
     
  10. jeyf macrumors 65816

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    what percentage of the report has still been with held
    10 - 30%
     
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    Not to bring HRC in (I almost never do), but that was exactly Comey's exoneration point.
     
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    "According to notes written by Hunt, when Sessions told the President that a Special Counsel had been appointed, the President slumped back in his chair and said, “Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I’m ****ed.” (Citation #504) The President became angry and lambasted the Attorney General for his decision to recuse from the investigation, stating, “How could you let this happen, Jeff?” (Citation #505)" - pg 290.
     
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    Lovely watching goalposts slide.

    Impeach the ****er on his clear business fraud and emoluments violations, you know the **** we could have done from day one?
     
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    Muller is an investigator, he doesn't prosecute. But what it boils down to is 'beyond a reasonable doubt' ... I'm only 8 pages in (busy day of actual work and not letting scripts do the heavy lifting) but it seems like there's the possibility that Trump's campaign was not aware of the Russian government involvement in the manipulation of the campaign; but there's no doubt via this report that the Russian govt was involved

    8 pages in and it's only a small fraction, not even 5% so far.
     
  15. Rhonindk thread starter macrumors 68040

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    If you go from the belief that Trump was being setup by the Dems, that makes sense.
    Emotional first response.
    Kind of like his tweets :D
     
  16. raqball macrumors 68000

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    Agree.. I skimmed it and the redactions are minimal....
     
  17. yaxomoxay macrumors 68040

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    Pretty moderate reaction IMO. I would've thrown objects... #italianblood
     
  18. linuxcooldude, Apr 18, 2019
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    So Trump got mad and now its time to impeach? He was mad because the Democrats were trying to undermine his Presidency.
     
  19. Rhonindk thread starter macrumors 68040

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    Listening to the news in the background and that also seems to be the conclusion there also. Looks like this started before Trump (Russian).
     
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    2013/2014 apparently.
     
  21. Rhonindk thread starter macrumors 68040

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    Surprised no call to the doc - heart attack
     
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    I'm running it through Acrobat Pro right now to see if I can get an OCR'd copy... I know why they did that for the redacted text but it's annoying for any text copying or finding words in the document.
     
  23. Rhonindk thread starter macrumors 68040

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    I think that kind of response also speaks to intent.
    --- Post Merged, Apr 18, 2019 ---
    I am awaiting the Nadler / Schiff speeches. I need a good snicker.
     
  24. raqball macrumors 68000

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    Yes... And that he may have stole a Twinkie when he was 11..... More on the Twinkie story over on MSNBC :p
     
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    Page 27 of Volume 2
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    What kind of tapes are we talking about?
     

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