iTunes Europe Red Tape

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001
    Forbes reports that red tape continues to tie up iTunes for european countries:

  2. Jeferz macrumors newbie

    Jan 24, 2004
    Hamilton, ON, Canada
    iTunes in Europe

    What about Canada, it has to be a more straight forward approach here. I know they're working on it but it seems forever!

    I need the convenience of one click music shopping - MADE FOR THE MAC - verse the option of for the PC weenies.

    But I continue to buy CDs and listen to about 2 of the twelve sounds I bought ;-)
  3. sethypoo macrumors 68000

    Oct 8, 2003
    Sacramento, CA, USA
    That really, really bites.

    Music should be for everyone, everywhere.
  4. AhmedFaisal Guest

    Incompatible Billing Systems? Its called Euro/Mastercard Forbes Boys

    Ok the contract thing I believe but the billing stuff is BS. We have Mastercard, VISA, AmEx and DC here as well, same stick. And if kids don't have one yet, there is gift certificates and parents that have one. Yes we STILL suck at ATM, I admit it but we are not that much in the stone age.

  5. aftk2 macrumors regular

    Nov 10, 2003
    Pacific NW
    Re: Incompatible Billing Systems? Its called Euro/Mastercard Forbes Boys

    I'm pretty sure it's talking about business-to-business billing problems...rather than consumers using the service. (Did I just reference B2B? Ugh...I'm having dot-com flashbacks..)
  6. varmit macrumors 68000


    Aug 5, 2003
    The problem

    The problem probably isn't if they can charge European mastercards or visas. But how much each song will cost, there are exchange rates to think abou here. Because the Euro and Dollor flux would mean that if they stuck with 99 cents per song, then that 99 cents would be worth 1 euro one day and 1.5 the next, that is extreme but get the idea here, and billing Europeans like that would piss people off if they didn't get the lowest price. So they have to create a completely new music store with a set price for Europeans using a set price that is fair, and is fair in the sense of the exchange rate.
  7. ~Shard~ macrumors P6


    Jun 4, 2003
    This is really too bad - there is such a market for iTunes and so much increased revenue opportunities just sitting there, and Apple doens't seem to be able to get things working! Not saying it's Apple's fault of course, I'm sure their hands are tied by regulations, etc. in many areas, but still, it is really too bad they can't seem to get things moving for ITMS on an international front.

    I'd still like to see iTunes Canada soon though - surely it can't be that much more complicated than whatever it took to set up the USA ITMS?
  8. hob macrumors 68020


    Oct 4, 2003
    London, UK
    it's SO stupid! Surely the whole iTunes concept should be destroying traditional conecpts such as release dates and currency issues!!

  9. AppleMatt macrumors 68000


    Mar 17, 2003

    Although this seems to make sense, how come other companies have brought it to Europe (or the UK at least)?

  10. Photorun macrumors 65816


    Sep 1, 2003
    Hopefully all those whining Euro Macrumorites will now stop bashing Apple like Apple was holding out on them, posts like that were too numerous to count. Like, duh, Apple was holding out, they didn't want your stinking money or something. Note: Believe us, they do! And as an Apple stockholder, I want your money TOO!!!
  11. pianojoe macrumors 6502


    Jul 5, 2001
    N 49.50121 E008.54558
    Right now I can't download because the billing address on my credit card statement is outside the U.S. It will be equally easy to implement release dates per country. Since this only applies to some brand new releases, the majority of the songs will not be touched by that issue.

    Why not start out with one country, say, Germany, which has the largest market in CD sales in Europe. Then let's see what happens. (I'm sure the record companies will find a way to straighten things out if they HAVE to.)
  12. whocares macrumors 65816


    Oct 9, 2002
    Re: The problem

    Not really. European consumers already purchase music (cds, etc) and have no problems with fluctuating prices. A CD will set you back approx 20€, which is rip-off, but the price is/has been constant. Price of music is controlled by disc companies that are either european (think EMI) or have european branches.

    The biggest problems would be different tax rates between different contries and different currencies (the UK, one of the biggest markets, still uses Sterling Pounds...). Remember, only 12 of the 15 countries (soon to be 25) use the Euro.

    Another problem is users purchasing music from another country. For eg. a French user bying in Germany. Although this is legal and the whole point of the free market, this will most likely piss off the music companies :rolleyes:
  13. johnnyjibbs macrumors 68030


    Sep 18, 2003
    London, UK
    #14 has just had to concede in a legal battle due to it selling import CDs into the UK rather than ones that were "meant for the UK". The net effect is a £2 rise on all prices from CD-Wow.

    I guess internet stores like iTunes have all these legal problems. The UK store, for example, would only be allowed music that was destined for Britain. Those record companies need to get a grip. Supporting online music stores will combat piracy, not endless legal palava!
  14. denjeff macrumors member

    Jan 14, 2004
    a pen :)
    the problem is very very complex...

    apple should tacle every country one by one. that s the only way i think.

    and they should start in Belgium.

    the only problem maybe is stability of price. but i think that is easy to solve: €.99 per song (they even get more now because $ is cheap). sometimes you win, sometimes you loose...
  15. jobberwacky macrumors member

    Jul 24, 2002
    Zurich (CH)
    You should go out more often, e.g. to far and distant places like Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Switzerland or to Eastern Europe. Europe has more than a dozen currencies, and even if you only consider the countries for which Apple has a customized online store you've still got five currencies.

  16. hvfsl macrumors 68000


    Jul 9, 2001
    London, UK
    Re: Incompatible Billing Systems? Its called Euro/Mastercard Forbes Boys

    Not everyone in Europe uses credit cards. Most of the shops I went into in Germany, didnt take credit cards. I am talking about the big stores like Saturn in Essen and Kassel, not just the small ones.
  17. applekid macrumors 68020

    Jul 3, 2003
    You think the U.S. version of iTunes will be able to access these "international" stores? I'm hoping we'll get access to Europe, Asia, Canada, and others as they come. It'll give us more musical diversity and perhaps access to those hard to find imports. Here's to hoping they will!

    Also, here's to hoping we don't get into politics with this thread. :rolleyes:
  18. rabatjoie macrumors member

    Jun 21, 2003
    i think that's hoping a bit too much. just think about the DVD region codes. why should they open the music stores internationally when they can make more money by controlling and separating the market. apart from that, an opening like you imagine it would just contribute to the vanishing of "hard to find imports" because it would erode the notion of exporting and importing itself.

    we have to remember that capitalism's goal has always been and is still to make the most money, nothing more. anything good that comes from it is just a sideproduct. (exaggerating a little :cool: )
  19. walexx macrumors member


    Jul 18, 2002
    Now back to Business. I really dont understand what the problem is. Other companies around the world now have music download services (telstra in australia for example started theres just recently), so if other companies can do it, then why cant Apple ?.

    Once again Apple innovates and the others copy and Apple gets left behind. It really p**ses me off.

    Thanks to a clever loophole that I have managed to discover, I do have access to ITMS here in Australia and its awesome as I use it alot. I would however prefer to be a registered aussie but if the asia pacific Apple group cant get their s**t together then so be it, I will just use my American access. Im still paying for the privildge just like everyone else, so im not ripping anyone off im just resorting to a measure forced on to me by the greed of the record companies.
  20. Dippo macrumors 65816


    Sep 27, 2003
    Charlotte, NC
    The Music Industry deserves what it gets

    The Music Industry (esp. in Europe) is going to get what's coming to them. Legit online music is the last hope to slow down file trading, and by tying up the process they are dooming themselves!

    Too bad we can't just give the artists (singers/song writers/etc) their due without having to feed the evil Recording Industry machine.
  21. Poff macrumors 65816


    Sep 16, 2003
    Stavanger, Norway
    you beat me to it. And I know the musicstore is going to be established in these countries as well, the Norwegian industry sais they hope and expect that iTMS will come during the first half of 2004.

    And I do not understand why people talk about exchange rates. Who cares what a dollar is worth here? When a song is sold here in Norway for example, iTMS will deal with the norwegian record companies, not the american ones. The transaction will go in NOK from buyer to record companies, since both parts use that currency. When they have set a proper price american only songs (or german only for that part), that has no record company in Norway, will either have to follow the same price (and this might be tricky, I don´t know), or maybe they´ll be given an option to abstain from their song being sold in Norway.
  22. winmacguy macrumors 68020


    Nov 8, 2003
    New Zealand
    I think your over looking something Walexx, Telstra has its own music store in Australia much like iTMS is only in the US at the moment. Let Telstra decide to launch their music store in France or Korea or somewhere and deal with the billing and legslation in those countries and see what that is like... ( Not saying that Telstra is going to do that or anything)
  23. PTTP macrumors newbie

    Jun 17, 2003
  24. winmacguy macrumors 68020


    Nov 8, 2003
    New Zealand
    what loophole are u using Walexx?

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