Ivanka Trump Linked To Chinese Factory That Paid Workers Just $62 A Week

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got to love the make America great make stuff in America champion.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ivanka-trump-chinese-factory_us_59009e51e4b0026db1dceb0a?yb8

Ivanka Trump spent time in Berlin Tuesday talking publicly about the need to support families and the role of female entrepreneurs. The same day, a new report revealed employees of a Chinese factory contracted by G-III Apparel Group, the company that exclusively licenses Trump’s branded clothing line, were working extra-long hours for little pay.

The Washington Post first reported that employees at a G-III-contracted factory in China worked nearly 60 hours per week to make little more than $62 per week, according to an October audit by the watchdog group Fair Labor Association. That’s about half the salary of the average Chinese manufacturing worker, according to Newsweek.

The FLA cited the factory for two dozen violations of international labor standards after inspecting its operations.
 
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MadeTheSwitch

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There's no reason that both she and her dad shouldn't be making stuff here now. Do they want to "Make America Great Again" or not? It's not supposed to be Make Yourself Even Richer.
 

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Not surprised. Just like he walked back pulling out of NAFTA and is back in negotiations with the big currency manipulator. But hey .... MAGA!!!
 
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"according to an October audit by the watchdog group Fair Labor Association."

Last time I checked Trump and Ivanka weren't in the White House in October. Trump flat out admitted he was one of the Wolves during his campaign. He admitted donating to both parties and using outsourcing in the past for personal gain, and that he wanted to fix that problem. So this is nothing new. Another non-story trying to create hyperbole.
 
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"according to an October audit by the watchdog group Fair Labor Association."

Last time I checked Trump and Ivanka weren't in the White House in October. Trump flat out admitted he was one of the Wolves during his campaign. He admitted donating to both parties and using outsourcing in the past for personal gain, and that he wanted to fix that problem. So this is nothing new. Another non-story trying to create hyperbole.
Um, do you think anything has changed since October? Are these products still being made for peanuts in China? Yes or no?
 

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Um, do you think anything has changed since October? Are these products still being made for peanuts in China? Yes or no?

Is there even a way currently to mass produce clothing here in the US? You can't really fault someone for doing business in the only way they know how to do it, if there's literally no other way right now. That's like faulting someone for not buying an American car, when there are no American dealerships to go to.
 

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Is there even a way currently to mass produce clothing here in the US? You can't really fault someone for doing business in the only way they know how to do it, if there's literally no other way right now. That's like faulting someone for not buying an American car, when there are no American dealerships to go to.
There's always a way. Especially when you have billions of dollars to do it. But in order to have the way, you've got to have the will. Which clearly this family doesn't. It's all lip service.
 
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so slave labor is ok as long as people you disagree with don't benefit?
False equivalence - and yet another attempt to derail a thread @jkcerda, as you know well: We are discussing the obnoxious Trumps and their unethical and egregious practices; they matter because they are ruling your country, like a disgusting, tacky, tawdry and tasteless Third World Family Enterprise, the sort busy robbing and raping and plundering the country for their own economic benefit.

Two further points: Personally, I would be quite happy to pay market rates for an Apple computer made by American employees protected by trade union rates of guaranteed income, none of this privatised personal wage structure nonsense disguised by calling it weasel words on the line of something paid to 'independent contractors'.

And - on the topic of Families: Just think of the screaming outrage if a President (Hillary Rodham) Clinton had Chelsea Clinton in the office next door, as an adviser (not formally appointed by, or accountable to, or voted on by any legislative body) who was busy advising Mummy but also running the Clinton Foundation and negotiating tax breaks and market entry with - shall we say, - less than fully democratic - regimes. The howls of shrieking (right wing) outrage would shatter chandeliers.
 
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There's always a way. Especially when you have billions of dollars to do it. But in order to have the way, you've got to have the will. Which clearly this family doesn't. It's all lip service.
That's like saying it's possible to make an outfit out of gold, while paying people 500 dollars an hour to make it and selling your product for 10 bucks. It's not economically viable. So yes, there's a way not to be a billionaire anymore by selling products at a loss. Thus the reason everyone outsources to other countries.
 

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That's like saying it's possible to make an outfit out of gold, while paying people 500 dollars an hour to make it and selling your product for 10 bucks. It's not economically viable. So yes, there's a way not to be a billionaire anymore by selling products at a loss. Thus the reason everyone outsources to other countries.
Sigh: This binary mindset, I don't think I'll ever get it.

There is a nice, long, variegated spectrum (I think) between being a billionaire - on the one hand - and facing bankruptcy, (on the other), you know.

You can earn a bit less than proverbial Billionairedom, and still make a very comfortable living, manufacturing a product that is admired and sought and bought by the purchasing public (in other words, one that has a reputation for quality) - while paying your staff properly and treating both them and your customers with respect.

It just means that you don't need to pursue profit to the complete and total exclusion of all else.....
 

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That's like saying it's possible to make an outfit out of gold, while paying people 500 dollars an hour to make it and selling your product for 10 bucks. It's not economically viable. So yes, there's a way not to be a billionaire anymore by selling products at a loss. Thus the reason everyone outsources to other countries.
They sell luxury products. Let me repeat that: luxury products. Not some bargain basement items that must be produced incredibly cheaply. You are using ridiculous examples ($500 an hour, really?) and are making excuses. Those excuses don't fly with me.
 
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They sell luxury products. Let me repeat that: luxury products. Not some bargain basement items that must be produced incredibly cheaply. You are using ridiculous examples ($500 an hour, really?) and are making excuses. Those excuses don't fly with me.
Agreed.

You don't need $500 an hour (what is that? a lawyer?) - just decent guaranteed wages and union representation to secure these wages and protect the rights of organised labour.

But, alas, some of our right wing friends want nothing more than to depress wages, while expelling immigrants, thus turning the domestic underclass into a class of something approximating to serfs.
 
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False equivalence - and yet another attempt to derail a thread @jkcerda, as you know well: We are discussing the obnoxious Trumps and their unethical and egregious practices; they matter because they are ruling your country, like a disgusting, tacky, tawdry and tasteless Third World Family Enterprise, the sort busy robbing and raping and plundering the country for their own economic benefit.

Two further points: Personally, I would be quite happy to pay market rates for an Apple computer made by American employees protected by trade union rates of guaranteed income, none of this privatised personal wage structure.

And - on the topic of Families: Just think of the screaming outrage if a President (Hillary Rodham) Clinton had Chelsea Clinton in the office next door, as an adviser (not formally appointed by, or accountable to, or voted on by any legislative body) who was busy advising Mummy but also running the Clinton Foundation and negotiating tax breaks and market entry with - shall we say, - less than fully democratic - regimes. The howls of shrieking (right wing) outrage would shatter chandeliers.
derail? come on, just pointing out the faux outrage .
 
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They sell luxury products. Let me repeat that: luxury products. Not some bargain basement items that must be produced incredibly cheaply. You are using ridiculous examples ($500 an hour, really?) and are making excuses. Those excuses don't fly with me.
Why are you so outraged that one of Ivanka's clothing lines, before her daddy was President was using cheap Chinese labor? Why does that make you so mad? Did she do something illegal to invoke the Impeachment process? If you're outraged at her for this, then you need to be equally outraged at all the other clothing companies that do the same, which is pretty much everyone, because if not you're unfairly singling out individuals. This is a classical example of a non-story being pushed by the extreme left website Wapo.
 

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derail? come on, just pointing out the faux outrage .
No, derail, along with sleepers, and tracks leading elsewhere. It is your forte, my friend, along with mole sauce (a recipe I am still awaiting, by the way: And, on that matter, as I am planning to prepare a chilli con carne - my own, legendary, if often tweaked and not remotely purist version of - that dish tomorrow, so, if you have any insights to offer on culinary matters, they shall be received most gratefully).
 
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No, derail, along with sleepers, and tracks leading elsewhere. It is your forte, my friend, along with mole sauce (a recipe I am still awaiting, by the way: And, on that matter, as I am planning to prepare a chilli con carne - my own, legendary, if often tweaked and not remotely purist version of - dish tomorrow if you have any insights to offer on culinary matters, they shall be received most gratefully).
MIL makes AWESOME chili con carne, man that has me drooling..Mole? post 9
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mole-moms-recipe.1989198/#post-23277127

did you mean the recipe for the Swiss enchiladas?
 
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Why are you so outraged that one of Ivanka's clothing lines, before her daddy was President was using cheap Chinese labor? Why does that make you so mad? Did she do something illegal to invoke the Impeachment process? If you're outraged at her for this, then you need to be equally outraged at all the other clothing companies that do the same, which is pretty much everyone, because if not you're unfairly singling out individuals. This is a classical example of a non-story being pushed by the extreme left website Wapo.
She is in an office alongside Daddy, - unqualified, un-appointed, unaccountable, - wielding a vast amount of political power and influence and insufficiently divorced from her companies to be able to disprove the notion that her proximity (physical, political, familial) to Daddy offers commercial advantage - (I'd say she might have questions to answer under the emoluments clause).

Moreover, it seems that he may have changed - or reversed - the implementation some of his promised policies (on say, trade with China) in order to allow her a business advantage. Seriously, I think that they both may have questions to answer, or has the putrid stench of such corruption become do normalised so rapidly that none of you see anything wrong wth the White House resembling some of the worst central Asian Family Dictatorships?

For an instructive comparison, take a look at Uzbekistan, which had uncomfortable and unsettling similarities with what may be unfolding in your country, until 1) the daughter (Gulnara Karimova) was placed under house arrest (yes, for corruption among other things) a few years ago, and 2), mortality caught up with her progenitor last year when his demise occurred. Even dictators struggle with vanquishing death.
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MIL makes AWESOME chili con carne, man that has me drooling..Mole? post 9
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mole-moms-recipe.1989198/#post-23277127

did you mean the recipe for the Swiss enchiladas?
What is the chile con carne recipe? (You're forgiven much, though not all, if you can come up with it.)
 

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So... if I'm understanding all the ridiculous outrage....

Most of you are now saying that you want Trump to be making personal business decisions and control the operations of said private business investments while he is the President?

Strange because everyone keeps saying he shouldn't have any personal involvement in the companies that he owns or is associated with while he's in office.

So... it's up to the people currently running those businesses to make decisions of how they're going to operate without any input from Trump.

Everyone wants to complain on both ends, and have it both ways. So either he leaves those business decisions to others, or he takes over. You can't have it both ways.
 

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She is in an office alongside Daddy, - unqualified, un-appointed, unaccountable, - wielding a vast amount of political power and influence and insufficiently divorced from her companies to be able to disprove the notion that her proximity (physical, political, familial) to Daddy offers commercial advantage - (I'd say she might have questions to answer under the emoluments clause).

Moreover, it seems that he may have changed - or reversed - the implementation some of his promised policies (on say, trade with China) in order to allow her a business advantage. Seriously, I think that they both may have questions to answer, or has the putrid stench of such corruption become do normalised so rapidly that none of you see anything wrong wth the White House resembling some of the worst central Asian Family Dictatorships?

Just because the Trump team "may", or "might" have done illegal things as you have put, doesn't actually equate to any factual evidence that they have. Yet MSM articles you cite treat suspicions as actual fact. So perhaps your personal preconceptions and feelings towards certain groups of people and individuals have clouded your judgement into unfairly treating others and forming objective opinions?