Jesus - Who do you say I am?

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    Regardless of the topic, threads here in the PRSI often come down to issues of faith. With that in mind, I thought it would be a good discussion to go right to the heart of the matter where Christianity is concerned. Luke chapter 9 records a conversation Jesus had with his disciples:
    *Bold emphasis mine*

    One of the things I appreciate about MR is the variety of worldviews and cultures represented. So, how do you answer the question presented in Luke 9:20. Who do you say Jesus is?

    As always, let's keep it friendly. These kinds of conversations can be fun and informative as long as we stay respectful of each other. :)
     
  2. mcrain, Feb 14, 2011
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    If there is a God or gods, then the only answer would have to be that "Jesus" is beyond our comprehension, and anyone who says otherwise is a bilker, bunco, cheater, clip artist, con man, crook, deceiver, fleecer, flimflammer, fraud, hoser, hustler, mountebank, scam artist, scammer, shark, sharpie, smoothie or swindler.

    I believe what I believe, but my understanding is no better or worse than ANYONE elses, including those of other religions.

    (edit) Sorry, I got carried away with thesaurus.com.
     
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    In the physical sense, even believers and non-believers can't agree to disagree. Some atheists/agnostics believe a man named Jesus existed. Some believe he actually taught many of the things attributed to him and that he was a good person. Whether you believe or not, any person can benefit from teachings such as those telling us to turn the other cheek. That's essentially the basis of non-violent protesting.
     
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    Well he could've been many things, really. To me he seems like a non-violent equivalent of Charles Manson. A charismatic, deluded man, who preached about the apocalypse. Zealous followers managed to somehow turn his story into a legend, and then a religion, and nowadays he is so familiar that people can't see past their indoctrination and realize that his (alleged) teachings are not all that special and certainly not that great.

    Christians will argue that this is not possible, and that he wouldn't have become so widely followed unless he was god, but this has happened many times before and to much worse men (*cough* Muhammad *cough*)
     
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    Probably.
     
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    Now if we could only make Christians aware of that verse and that it was meant literally.

    "Onward Christian Soldiers"? :rolleyes:
     
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    Seriously? Several of them can be "disproved" on semantic grounds: at least one gospel says that Jesus ascended to heaven, none of the others make mention of his (second) death. Hence, to make a claim to be the reincarnation of Jesus can be discounted on the basis that Jesus is not known to have ever actually died (after rising from the tomb).
     
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    They left one off that list: Jesus of Nazareth
     
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    Millions of believers around the world don't hold the Bible to task when it comes to semantics. I certainly wasn't going to start. :p
     
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    Jesus is a person who may or may not have existed, who has been posthumously reduced to a useful tool of elitist political scumbags who enjoy keeping others under their thumbs.
     
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    Jesus - Who do you say I am?

    Why, You are Everyman.
     
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    or this guy
    Just the kind of role model Catholic priests seem to have been emulating.
     
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    to me, and many others, jesus is nothing more than a myth
     
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    I assume that he, or a man similar to him, existed. He was most likely a teacher of a radical Jewish sect. I believe that Christianity is a mixture of those teachings combined with parts of other religions.
     
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    Jesus? Patron Saint of wood butcherers surely? *admires newly sharpened chisels*
     
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    A Carpenter, Theologian, Reformer, Son of God.

    You may ague with me but you will not convince me to believe differently.
     
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    Why would anyone want to?
     
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    OK, accepted.

    Well, perhaps not by intent, but OK on this one too.

    If His press is to believed, then this is a no-brainer.

    OK, we have a problem here.

    Sperm + egg = child.

    I don't doubt that Joseph was an honourable man, but a man none the less.

    Mary's hymen may have been intact at the birth of Jesus, but this means very little when "aggressive" foreplay is present.
     
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    A lot of people here in MR! If they had their way I would taken out back and taken care of. After all, I am just a stupid American. :eek:
     
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    So am I . . . and people have trying to convert me for years!!!


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