John Kerry goes to Hollywood to learn how to fight ISIS

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  1. satcomer macrumors 603

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    Wow you just came up with this idea? He was well known in the past for not being to bright!
     
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    It wouldn't surprise me if Kerry consulted Kanye West for anti-terrorism advice. After all, this is an administration that refuses to utter the words "radical Islam" yet forces Apple to reveal proprietary encryption, betray it's own customers, and compromise our information security. This is an administration that held a Rose Garden press conference to hail Bowe Bergdahl as a great American. This is a president who bemoans the decapitation murders of Americans and then hits the golf course. This administration exists in a self-created bubble of magical thinking.
     
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    The State and hollywood have always had a very comfy relationship when it comes to crafting state propaganda, I don't think this surprise anyone.
     
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    Say what you will about this knucklehead, but Kerry has sufficient smarts managing to marry multi-millionaires.
     
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    --- Breaking News --- America is *officially* the laughing stock of the world.
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  6. vrDrew, Feb 18, 2016
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    You know, sometimes I think some of the folks who start these threads aren't very smart.

    During the Second World War; the motion picture industry in both Britain and the US was extensively tapped in the fight against the Nazis and Japanese. Hollywood actors, writers, directors were asked to produce not just training and newsreel films, but movies specifically designed to spread the message about why it was so important to defeat the enemy.



    The battle against ISIL, while not as massive an undertaking, also needs to be fought on a variety of fronts. And I think anyone not an imbecile would recognize that America's entertainment industry is remarkably good at influencing the culture of pretty much the entire world. ISIL's appeal is promulgated through videos and social networking. Why do people think it is so absurd that the Secretary of State would discuss ways of using America's mighty - and influential - entertainment industry to counter the spread of violent extremism?
     
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    I won't hold my breath waiting for Hollywood to produce movies and cartoons illustrating the horrors of radical Islam.
     
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    Exactly. The meeting might not bear fruit, but it's certainly worth the time to consider how to counter the violent propaganda of ISIS using all potential avenues, including Hollywood.

    The conservative blogosphere seems to think that Kerry went to Hollywood to ask for a couple of Transformers and a platoon of Teenage Mutant Turtles under the command of John McClane. Instead, Kerry went to an industry built around creating and selling a message.

    I can't wait to hear the grousing when Kerry meets with advertising executives also.
     
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    Why not?

    I cannot think of any reason why even Hollywood's limousine liberals would not want to do whatever they could to dissuade vulnerable young people in the Islamic world from throwing away their lives for ISIL's false promise. I'd bet that 99% of the Muslim film-makers and journalists in the US, Britain, Germany, France, and Egypt would jump at the chance to work on a project like that.
     
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    Because Hollywood's anti-radical Islam output since 9/11/2001 has been zilch and I'm not expecting that to change any time soon. The few even moderately anti-radical Islam films I've seen are all European or North African.
     
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    Homeland? Zero Dark Thirty? American Sniper? 24?? The Hurt Locker?

    We've got a choice right now, in the fight against terrorism.

    We can ask Apple and Google to build backdoors into every smartphone and communication device that will give Government spies (and who knows who else) access to our most private data.

    Or we can spend a couple of hundred million dollars to fund film and documentary makers to produce YouTube videos, feature films. comic books, webzines, Tweets, whatever - to spread the message that ISIL is a disaster.

    I know which one I'd prefer.

    But some people would rather snicker at John Kerry for trying the smart choice.

    Yeah.
     
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    The ones that aren't live-action cartoons like 24 and Homeland are stories about Americans, with only a tangential connection to radical Islam.

    Now, when Hollywood features a movie about ISIS that shows the technicolor beheading of innocents and the mass rape of abducted Yahzidi girls, then maybe I'll believe they're on board. Until then, it was just an opportunity for the dumbest SecState in history to schmooze with some deep-pocketed Hollywood donors.
     
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    What does an "anti-radical Islam" movie even look like?

    Hollywood hasn't made a movie about ISIS, but there are often movies that seem entirely within this structure.

    For instance, "American Sniper" showed the violence and brutality of the insurgency in Iraq while promoting the self-sacrificing heroism of the protagonist?

    Or, the "Kingdom" where FBI specialists battled Islamic extremists in Saudi Arabia. Or, "Persepolis" an autobiography that also illustrated the downfall of the Iran revolution to the nation's clerics.

    There's also "Munich" that told the story of Israelis hunting for terrorists around the world, "Zero Dark Thirty" about the killing of Osama Bin Laden, and "A Mighty Heart" that focused around the murder of Daniel Pearl.

    And, there were two 9/11 films, "World Trade Center" and "United 93" that showed the heroics of Americans and the monstrosity of the terrorists.

    This is again, off the top of my head, but while Hollywood hasn't produced a propaganda film in decades—the last might have been John Wayne's "The Green Berets"—the industry certainly doesn't have a problem with making radical Islamists the bad guys in a host of films.
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    And, that's just discussing feature films. If you want to go the documentary route, try Vice's "Inside the Islamic State" and the "Female Fighters of Kurdistan," or PBS's "Syria's Second Front" and "Losing Iraq."
     
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    My inner cynic suggests that Kerry went to talk with the executives about TPP's Intellectual Property provisions, and anti-Daesh propaganda might have come up in the course of conversation. At the moment Kerry's Twitter feed suggests a #Daesh monomania.
     
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    That's a good assessment.
     
  16. jerwin macrumors 65816

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    Here's the deal, aaron. There are 7.4 billion people on this planet. And apparently, 1.6 billion of those want to kill you.
     
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    I'd like to pitch that. Can I get a treatment by Thursday?
     
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    How can;t we be with the clown show the Republican candidates are putting on at the moment.
     
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    because we need hollywood to keep pushing pro war propaganda?
    if a republican had done this the leftist would be mocking him/her, but a democrat? it's just smart:rolleyes:
    the message stinks so bad that Hollywood is being asked to sugar coat that turd. God forbid we try peace.
     
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    Doesn't ISIS already make these sorts of films?
     
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    most people don't head to theaters to pay for that crap. we are more interested in watching dead pool :D
     
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    Republicans have done this.
     
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    Eh, I was thinking of subtle social media messages about how ISIS are a bunch of apostates rather than the need for war, but you highlight an excellent question about Hollywood's role in pro-war sentiment.

    As noted above, Hollywood went full-bore for WWII, building campaigns around war gardens and savings (mostly done to keep people busy for the "war effort"), along with recruitment.

    In many ways, this is the last thing we need from Hollywood and I suspect what aaronvan wants.
     
  24. jerwin macrumors 65816

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    Apparently, people who are attracted to ISIS regard the concept of humanity as a decadent Western concept. Joining ISIS is an opportunity to throw off those imperialist shackles.
     

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