Jon Stewart fears for Glenn Beck's digestive system

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  1. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    Just more left wing fear of the truth that Mr. Beck is getting to the population.

    Jon Stewart is a weakling who thinks that nuclear bombs should not have been used in Japan - how disgusting.
     
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    I'm sure you're trying to be funny and all but this is really tasteless.
     
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    I wish I was trying to be funny. I was just bring out a fact that helps to give insight in how twisted the man is in the head. In threads about Mr. Beck, there are personal attacked made against him and his previous statements; I'm just doing the same against Jon Stewart.


    Not only that, He called President Truman A WAR CRIMINAL. cue the tape!

    http://www.youtube.com/v/tF4pV27_7PI&h

    If that is not the action of a diseased mind, I do not know what is !
     
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    You failed.
     
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    Its more dubious as to whether Hiroshima was necessary, but the Allies certainly didn't need to nuke Nagasaki. We didn't really give the Japanese enough time to surrender after Hiroshima.

    And to be honest completely flattening Tokyo and Dresden among others which killed tens of thousands was also pretty dodgy and frankly probably unnecessary.
     
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    Given that the Japanese had offered surrender on the same terms later accepted at least five times before nuclear weapons were used, yes you could say it was unnecessary.
     
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    I guarantee you "Why so socialist" won't be quoting this post and responding to it. Facts are not what he likes to hear and you're probably upsetting him by just posting them! :mad:
     
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    I guess saying WE SURRENDER UNCONDITIONALLY is something that would takes days to say in Japanese.

    We gave them 3 days! Its not like we did both in the same day. So how many days would you have given them? And to what end? Give them more days to kill Americans, Chinese, Taiwanese and Koreans! Yeh, give them two months to decide :rolleyes:

    Not to get off track, but back to Jon Stewart; any man who calls a President a war criminal for saving thousands of American lives is no commentator that I would listen to.

    The video clip in the first post was a criticism of Glenn Beck by Jon Steward. The only reason I mentioned Mr. Steward disgusting views was as a criticism of him.
     
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    First of all, many things in English can be said in one or two words in Japanese, it's usually much more concise.

    Secondly, what do you say about the offers to surrender on the terms they ended up surrendering under that occurred BEFORE we ever bombed them?

    Or do you simply disregard this fact?
     
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    That's not all that is required. The Japanese emperor had to investigate the bombing of Hiroshima to find out what actually happened there and then he'd need a few days to make a decision.

    You don't make a decision to surrender unconditionally on the basis of hearsay - especially if culturally you find it difficult to lose face and you are regarded as a living god.

    Also given that it took Bush a whole 9 days to make a response to 9/11 attacks, expecting the Japanese to make one more quickly than that - when their infrastructure was much more battered and bruised and technology generally was less instant is completely unrealistic.

    Therefore it seems to me like a couple of weeks would be a good amount of time for them to make a decision.
     
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    You forget that had English speakers. My father was on the USS Whitney at the time. Anyhow, the Japanese had enough knowledge of English to say "Sleep well men of the Whitney, its the last night you will sleep" or something to that effect according to him. If they had that grasp of the english language, I'm sure they could have pieced together a surrender message.

    If you really want to get into a discussion of hermeneutics of languages, whatever - WE SURRENDER is not ambiguous.
     
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    Noone says something like that without thinking it through first, as given above.
     
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    Fine. Point taken about the language differences.

    Why are you ignoring the requests for surrender that happened before the bombings took place? Also I think you need to respond to Eraserhead's claims as well. Lots of facts there you are completely ignoring.
     
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    Back to the Topic that was great Jon stewart is epic!
     
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    Why hasn't Full of Win responded to any of the most convincing evidence in the thread? He just blatantly ignores it. Is that not the definition of a troll?
     
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    Its kind of lame to call someone a toll when the evident is clear they are not. Re-read the thread and you will see I've responded to several counterpoints. Tell you what, tell me EXACTLY what points I've not addressed and I will reply to them.

    I'll chance back in a few hours.

    If you don't reply with specifics, I'll take that as a tacit apology on your behalf.
     
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    and you're a troll because you derailed this thread so badly.
     
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    Japan didnt even give uncoditional surrender after the bombing. A small number of consessions were still made. The war would have ended as soon as we demonstrated the power of a nuke as long as we had made a tiny number of insignificant consestions.
     
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    You have not responded to the fact that Japan offered to surrender several times before the bomb was dropped. Respond to that.
     
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    I think Full of Win* has exited the thread. He has not a leg to stand on.
     
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    Just curious, since I have never heard this before, but what are the sources for this claim?
     
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    Well pretty much the whole of this post:


    Basically:

    • That the Japanese emperor had to investigate the bombing of Hiroshima to find out what actually happened there and not make a decision on hearsay.
    • Given that it took Bush a whole 9 days to make a response to 9/11 attacks, expecting the Japanese to make one more quickly than that - when their infrastructure was much more battered and bruised and technology generally was less instant is completely unrealistic.
    • That the decision was especially difficult as the emperor was a member of a culture that finds it difficult to lose face and was regarded as a living god.
     

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