Judge shuts down 63,000 Apple iBooks for Cobb County student...

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  1. MacBytes macrumors bot

    Jul 5, 2003
  2. autrefois macrumors 65816


    Oct 22, 2003
    Somewhere in the USA
    I don't see how this is a bait and switch. Instead of updating stationary computer work stations, they are letting everyone use their own portable laptop computer, which accomplishes the same thing except the students can use the computers at home as well.

    Are the old workstations PCs? Is this why people are upset? Would Dell laptops make everyone happy? Or is it that they don't want people who have no computer at home to be able to bring a computer home to do their homework? They're not gifting the iBooks to the teachers and students, are they? They remain the property of the school I would assume. So it just means teachers and students can use their computers everywhere instead of just in the lab.

    I honestly don't understand, and the article doesn't explain clearly what the problem is, in my opinion.
  3. swingerofbirch macrumors 68030

    Oct 24, 2003
    The Amalgamated States of Central North America
    So the bottomline is: this school is sitting on $70 million.

    They decided to spend it buying an iBook for every student.

    I agree that the benefits of one to one computing are largely unknown. With computers becoming a commodity item and many families owning at least one, why not use some of the money to buy families without computers a family system? Buying every student an iBook could be redundant.

    I have gone to school in both Sweden and the United States. In my opinion, the reason that students did better in Sweden is become they didn't come from drastically different backgrounds. All children came from families that were financially secure. Maybe as a nation we should be working toward that goal instead.
  4. freiheit macrumors 6502a

    Jul 20, 2004
    I also didn't see the problem spelled out

    Yeah, that'll happen. Land of the rich, home of the cowards hiding behind poor people's children going to war to make them richer.

    But back on topic, I also didn't quite see the problem as discussed in the article. If the whole problem revolves around the use of the word "refresh" being taken to mean "the schools cannot buy any new equipment but must instead only add-on to existing -- the next word was obsolete -- computers, then some people seriously need to get lives. I also detected a subtle hint that the problem may in fact be that Apple computers are being used (but I would laugh hysterically at anyone who claims that a Windows PC is "making the best use of available technology").
  5. GodBless macrumors 65816


    Jan 22, 2005
    Well, unfortunately it looks like the community is rejecting high quality technological education. Not too good of a choice for the future of the community. They will live with the consequences this will cause them.
  6. broken_keyboard macrumors 65816


    Apr 19, 2004
    Secret Moon base
    There must be better things to spend the money on than computers.

    They could build a whipping room where kids who talk back to the teachers go to get whipped. And also they could have inspirational talks by famous people.
  7. pcdoctor macrumors member

    Jan 28, 2002
    P.S. I'm a contractor that does computer consulting for Cobb.
    The superintendent could have saved the county 4 million dollars by going with Dells. Also, Apple came in third on the bid. Dell was first.
  8. winmacguy macrumors 68020


    Nov 8, 2003
    New Zealand
    Thanks for explaining that pcdoctor. Your right about the article, is doesn't really explain very much.
  9. Abstract macrumors Penryn


    Dec 27, 2002
    Location Location Location
    ^^Then it sounds like the superintendent was a Mac boy. :)

    I don't mind every teacher getting an iBook, but I do think that the money could be spent better. eMacs would be better. And if these programs are to be started, they should be started in poorer areas where computers may be harder to come by.
  10. pcdoctor macrumors member

    Jan 28, 2002
    The area in Cobb where the students are poorer, they have computers that are really banged up and sometimes depend on what's called Title I money to get new stuff. I have seen desks, monitors, cpu, etc. written on in ink, markers, etc. Not all of the computers in the poorera areas are old but most of them still have Windows 98 machines.
    (Meaning, they may get xp desktops to replace these this year or next year hopefully).
    There was one school that had about 30+ Dell pcs (very old Dells) and I think the students got upset because they had slow computers.
    The students pulled the cd rom drive doors off, stuck erases and pencils in the floppy disk drives, stuck gum in the cd rom drive doors, etc.
    I got to the point that I got tired of seeing wallpapers of buffy, sneakers, cars, etc. that students had installed becuase of IE's weakness.
    (right click as save as wallpaper by using Internet Explorer).

    Check this out.
    If the Apple deal goes through. The elementary schools will get the middle and high schools old Dell equipment. I dont know if this means their old Dell equipment, recently new Dell equipment or both. So basically, the elementary schools will get the hand me downs.
  11. GodBless macrumors 65816


    Jan 22, 2005
    Wow, so you mean someone could just say that they lost their laptop and pay $50 and be able to keep it. Unfortunately people are prone to do these types of wrongful things. Because of that it doesn't sound like too good of a system to me. If this was one of the reasons that the deal was shutdown it is starting to make a lot of sense why it was shutdown.
  12. SPUY767 macrumors 68000


    Jun 22, 2003

    With how much wasted on Software based downtime? I'm sorry chief, but If I know anything, it's that I can't even keep a desktop running in my office, and those don't even get taken home. Can you imagine what kinds of ***** would get installed on a windows machine that the kids could take home? YOu need to earn, like a lot of businesses that the initial purchase price of something isn't the cost. An indisputable fact is that apples have a longer effective service life than PCs, aren't suceptable to the malware problems that traditional PC's are, and are generally a great deal cheaper over the long run. Oh, and for the record, Georgian to Georgian, Roy Barnes is a bloated slimebag. A truly worthless individual.
  13. runninmac macrumors 65816


    Jan 20, 2005
    Rockford MI
    Wow if my school had an extra 70mil we could actually heat it in the winter! Kids have to wear there winter coats around school becuase its so cold somedays. :eek:
  14. CubaTBird macrumors 68020

    Apr 18, 2004
    this whole situation is like.. hilarious... lol.. i mean, heck, my high school.. we had 4 year old dell laptops that have been used my freshman year, (just graduated) and we had enough for every student in the school.. PLUS we had dell desktops in our library to add to that... though we could not take the laptops home.. but still.. they worked.. sometimes.. if anything by junior year the freakin' batteries were breaking down on us
  15. plinden macrumors 68040


    Apr 8, 2004
    Hmm, I thought there were enough examples of lowest bid winning causing long term problems that people would no longer accept this. My brother works for a civil service agency in the UK and their lowest bid computer system - Siemens-Fujitsu I believe - has an uptime of less than 50%.

    Whatever the advantages are, if any, of a laptop for every student, as a parent I think not being able to play GTA, or get viruses or spyware, is a big advantage to using Macs.
  16. pcdoctor macrumors member

    Jan 28, 2002
    The vote for this will have to be redone.
    This time it will have to be spelled out what this tax vote is for.
    Instead of saying 1% or 2% will go towards education, it should say 1% or 2% tax increase will go towards the power to learn initiative.
  17. pcdoctor macrumors member

    Jan 28, 2002
    If this decision is passed, the elementary school kids will get the middle and high school hand me down Dells.
    So, kids kindergarten through 5th grade will use Dells then all of a sudden 6th-12th they will get macs.
    To level the playing field and make everyone happy, maybe the classrooms and labs should have equal dual platforms or let the middle and high school students decide what kind of laptop they want. (Dell or Apple)
    I wonder what percentage of the middle and high school students would choose an iBook? Also, I wonder what percentage of the middle and high school teachers would choose an iBook?
  18. sonyrules macrumors regular

    Oct 26, 2001
    I have to agree with you, beside, even if they did lock down the computer, what would stop them from optaining a windows disk, formatting the drive and starting over.... Dells are cheaper, but they will cost the most problems than anything aple will give them. so you spend a little money. Just remember, You get what you pay for. Cheap computer = bigger problems.
  19. CubaTBird macrumors 68020

    Apr 18, 2004
    and i think in the end, the students could really careless... seriously... i know i would...
  20. pcdoctor macrumors member

    Jan 28, 2002
    As far as the formatting issue, the students wont be able to login to the school's server if they do this. I wondered the same thing. I wonder if the school system can force a student to use their laptop for school work only?
    Meaning, if they erase the laptop and don't use it for school work, will they get into trouble?
    Also, every parent has to pay a fee to get these laptops for students.
    From what I understand, some parents can't afford the $50 insurance fee.
    I guess these students will have to use a textbook.
  21. SPUY767 macrumors 68000


    Jun 22, 2003
    Not true at all. I've used a completely unsupported install of windows, along with account information to connect to my Hotel's LAN. All anyone would need to know was Gateway, Subnet, And DNS to connect, and perhaps a proxy for internet access. I seriously doubt, granted, this is Georgia, and they might, but I seriously doubt that they are using any kind of static IP addressing. Hell, if the school's using DHCP, which is practically a foregone conclusion, any windows install would come pre-configured to connect to the network, all any student would need was a name and a password. Any half-adept child over the age of 13 is going to know how to do most of this stuff. I's as simple as copying down on a piece of paper and writing somewhere else.
  22. Lacero macrumors 604


    Jan 20, 2005
    I think buying laptops for students is the biggest education mistake one can make. Most kids with laptops will use it to store their music, pokemon videos and for IM. I hardly think they'll use it for study purposes. It's only when a student HAS to buy a computer for themselves do they use it for more productive purposes.
  23. cberic3@comcast macrumors newbie

    Jul 31, 2005
    worst idea ever

    The only one who will benefit from this deal is the local mob. Forget about stolen lunch money and bookbags. Now we have CHILDREN toting brand new laptops around. They are walking goldmines now for would-be theives. Laptops for faculty and desktops for classrooms is a much better proposition.

    And this is totally ignoring the FACT of what most students do to other school property, as already adressed by a gentlemen on the "inside" above.

    Yet another unbelievable example of wasted taxpayer money.

    Leaders are guilty of nothing
    They're perfectly insane
    But if they'd point the finger at themselves
    Who would be left to blame

    We don't have a choice
    Anymore anyway
    We don't have a voice
    Anymore Anyway
  24. macnulty macrumors 6502

    May 18, 2003
    Rehoboth Beach, De
    The answers no one seems to want:

    Computers for every student is a horrible idea. Until students can put together two or more thoughts into an essay or actually comprehend a novel they have no business using a computer other then for typing a book report.

    The educational bid system ensures schools will get the cheapest possible solution; not quality, not the best, not the most effecient, but the cheapest. ( I know Apple wasn't cheapest )

    I am convinced there is zero innovation in the school system. Teachers and administrators operate in a culture smog.

    I have three kids with one going to college.

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