Julian Assange claims Hillary Clinton 'pushing' for a Pence takeover

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  1. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a

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    Man...some people just cannot let go of their hate-on for Hillary Clinton!

    Pence's response:
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/a...-pushing-for-a-pence-takeover/article/2617293

    So, is this just a way of making excuses and create a new boogeyman for Trump should he screw up and get impeached? Is the stage being set for that now? A little premature I think, but possible that is what is being done here. Trump and company need to have fallguys and scapegoats around if things don't work out as planned. "Not my fault....It's theirs! They were out to get me" I can hear it now.
     
  2. Septembersrain Contributor

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    For every person holding onto Clinton, there is another trying to crash Trump. I don't hate Hillary, nor do I think it's smart to push Pence. He's more of a religious fanatic and I'm not against Christianity but...

    I have seen what religion can do to someones rights. Be that Christianity, Islam, etc.

    But honestly, can you say with 100% certainty that there is no one in politics who isn't actually clapping their hands in glee at the thought of railroading Trump?
     
  3. zin Suspended

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    Of course the Democrats want Pence. He'd be easy to beat. The Republicans want Pence, too.
     
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    I don't like Pence. He's a religious zealot with his own agenda. However, he's a better person than Trump, and he knows how to both behave, and work in government.
     
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    I don't know about being a better person. I think he's a better politician but his views would be even more restricting to those who feel they are under threat now.

    He's showing moderation now in a political move but we don't know what kind of hand he'll show if he's suddenly president.
     
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    Definitely a better person. When cemeteries were being vandalized, it took Trump days to comment, and then only after he was chastised for not speaking out. Pence, on the other hand, was quietly in one of the cemeteries with a rake in hand, working with the people cleaning up the damage. Do you think anyone had to ask him to do that?
     
  7. Septembersrain Contributor

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    No. I'm sure his strong belief in God has him do good works. I'm not saying he's a bad person. I'm just saying his faith might be a bad thing for others. That's not an unreasonable feeling is it?
     
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    It's a double edged sword. His beliefs make him do good works. This is a positive. His beliefs also make him want everyone else to hold the same beliefs. That is a negative. But I believe he is more able to balance his personal beliefs, or at least learn to do so. Trump doesn't want to learn anything because he thinks he already knows everything. (Who knew healthcare could be so complicated.)
     
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    That's fair but I still feel that if he's given presidential power, he might not feel the need to be as reserved. I guess I'll have to agree to disagree. I'm glad Trump said what he did, I think he's finally seeing what all of us see every day. I know I was overwhelmed when I had to change plans.
     
  10. MadeTheSwitch thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    There's no proof that he would be easy to beat. I don't know why people say that. Do you really think the Trump voters wouldn't still vote for someone in the Trump administration? Why?

    You do know that this "magic" with Trump himself can only last for so long right? Whether four years or eight years or even earlier, one way or another at some point Trump is no longer in office. Then what?
     
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    Assange must have one of those famous micro ovens at the embassy.
     
  12. LizKat macrumors 68040

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    Pence would not necessarily be easy to beat. I think some Democrats as well as some Republicans would like to see him step up from VP role just because he's more even-keeled than is Trump. His politics are loathesome to me but then again I do think he has a better grip than Trump does on the fact that the President is the President of all the people, not just those whom he favors or those who voted for him. As far as the GOP wanting Pence, yes: surely that is part of why he is the Vice President. Trump was dithering until practically the last moment wanting to pick someone else...
     
  13. zin Suspended

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    Mike Pence is an establishment cretin who didn't support any of Donald Trump's trade or foreign policies before he was his running mate. He had more in common with Hillary Clinton than Donald Trump. I sincerely believe Trump chose Mike Pence as an insurance policy.

    Do you honestly believe Mike Pence could've demolished Hillary's blue wall? The guy who was practically the same on trade as she was.
     
  14. MadeTheSwitch thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Actually, yes. I think Hillary was a very flawed candidate with a lot of baggage. I think Trump suppressed people voting for him actually. I think another candidate could have had the same or even better numbers. How many people voted for Hillary simply because they didn't like Trump? I suspect we will never know the number, but I have a feeling that a lot of people did.

    Against a non-abrasive, non-insulting, non-polarizing GOP opponent, Hillary and her email troubles may have even had a harder go of it. For instance, I would have considered voting for Kasich. I know a number of people here said the same thing. For me, voting for Pence...um, probably not given his anti-gay stance, but he was never a candidate anyway. But I do believe that Donald isn't the only one who could have beat Hillary. Not even close.

    But this still leaves my question on the table for you....Trump isn't going to be around forever. At some point he is no longer in office (for whatever reason). Then what? Then who? I think Pence very well could build up the political capital he needs. On the other hand being tied to Trump could prove to be a liability. We just don't know yet.
     
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    The line is blurry between fanaticism and extremism. He or any other politicians should not be bringing religion into politics, or he should find an alternate profession, might I suggest being a minister. But that applies to too many religious zealots who are in politics, and have been throughout the history of the US.

    I hold a strong position of separating church and state, unless we want to be no different than the very States that we are in constant conflict with because of terrorism.
     
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    Pence may have viewpoints and policy ideas that I completely disagree with, but unlike Trump he (1) understands the consequences of his actions, and (2) earnestly believes he is doing what is best for the country first. Evil or not, I'll take Pence over Trump any day.
     
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    I'd want Pence over trump because at least he's professional and mentally stable ... at least outwardly.

    It doesn't have anything to do with how beatable he is.

    I just want the person driving the bus to be able to keep it between the lanes.
     
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    It likely will be Pence. Unfortunately. Although I hear the Donald has a few children who could run. Maybe Ivanka will be the one who shatters that glass ceiling.

    Probably not, though. After Trump, the GOP will go back to the establishment neocons.
    --- Post Merged, Mar 15, 2017 ---
    If it's a Bush/Obama/Clinton/Pence then it makes no difference who is driving that bus. That road ends with a giant cliff. You may think Trump can't keep it between the lanes, but at least he can keep it on the road.
     
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    Lol. He's done great so far :rolleyes:
     
  20. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    I do think it's interesting how two people can look at the same situation and see completely opposite things.

    That is ... provided one isn't being paid to put forth an opinion for the sake of their employers.

    Because that might explain it as well.
     
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    Withdrawal from TPP; discussions on NAFTA; border tax on the way; all his pledges on executive action for lobbying restrictions followed; commenced process for defunding sanctuary cities, some of which have ended their sanctuary status in response; attempted border entries down 40%; negotiated lower per-plane costs for the F-35; kept promises for the Supreme Court; etc. etc.

    Can you imagine Hillary Clinton trying to negotiate lower costs for the initial batch of F-35s? She'd walk out of that meeting with higher costs than she walked in with. Probably because the defence industry was bankrolling her.

    Would it be better if he wasn't as abrasive or Twitter-friendly? Sure. But nice is what brought you Bush/Clinton/Obama.
     
  22. Mousse macrumors 68000

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    Pull back the curtains, Toto.

    I don't see any reason Pence would want Trump ousted. Right now Trump is the media circus perfect distraction to keep attention away from what Pence is doing. Mikey can act with impunity.

    To quote an iconic 70's commercial: "He like it. Hey Mikey."
     
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    He is probably the only one who could lose the popular vote to her. If the Republicans had put up Kasich they would have probably won the popular vote and had a landslide in the EC.

    As for the topic of the thread Assange has lost a lot of credibility by walking back on his promises for Wikileaks to show documents on countries like Russia instead of just the US. And he needs to get over Clinton, she is done in US politics.
     
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    Trump is easy beat but unfortunately democrats picked someone that was extremely unpopular.

    Bernie would have crushed Trump in the general election.
     
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    I was a Bernie supporter, but I know full well he would have lost bigly to Trump. It would have been a Socialist smear campaign, and Trump supporters would have eaten it up.
     

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