Julian Castro talks about 2020 and turning Texas blue

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  1. lowendlinux Contributor

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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...xas-blue/ar-BBIThWV?li=AA5a8k&ocid=spartanntp

    Whether you agree with Castro's politics or not it's time for the next generation to take over leadership

    Rubio, Haley, Gabbard, Castro seem to be the young ones that have enough name recognition to actually make a run.

    It's time for the old folks to go spoil grandchildren
     
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    I agree in concept, but, as a Democrat, I don't want to see Gabbard taking a more prominent role. She's basically an apologist for the Assad government in Syria and tried to get a job with Trump during the transition. No thanks.
     
  3. zin macrumors 6502

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    She exposed (although everybody already knew it, really) the fact the Obama Admin armed 'moderate' terrorists in Syria to topple Assad. No business getting involved and toppling foreign governments. Assad plus Vlad can deal with it.
     
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    More to the sense of the OP's post, and leaving aside specific candidates, I agree it's time to quit resorting to septuagenarians as Presidential candidates. They may have a lot to offer as advisors but the Oval Office job is stressful enough to age anyone prematurely. Seems to me that we're better off with a younger President able to draw on advice from the older generation.

    I thought we had passed the baton in that sense when we had elected Obama, and I'll be damned if I can understand the later and weird circumstance of a supposedly populist electorate demanding "change" --which is more likely to come from a younger crew in government-- while managing to whittle the primary fields in the two major parties down to a couple of 70 year-olds in 2016.

    That turn of events does not speak well for anything about the mechanics of either party's attention to their own viability, really. It speaks to squashing the bench in favor of winning votes partly on name recognition alone. The celebrity culture of the USA favors this approach but it's a long term detriment to not only established political parties but democracy itself.

    Finally, not everyone who is in his or her 70s and running for President is is likely to be a hoops player like Bernie Sanders... and when they're not, their health may draw more attention from issues than perhaps warranted, either during the campaigns or while the winner is in office. If a President's health does go south during term in office, the merits of the Vice President suddenly and retroactively become far more interesting than back when we voted for a President and got a tag-along VP on the same ticket for free. The thing is, there's nothing can be done about it at that point. Whoever was on that ticket --and probably picked for it with an eye to drawing votes based on geographic considerations or anyway some demographic slice and dice-- can become our President in the blink of an eye.
     
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    To heck with their maturity, experiences, and wisdom.
     
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    Assuming they have any... and anyway if they do, let them be advisors. The pols whose names we know now who are 65-70 are getting attention in primaries that should be showcasing 45-50-yos. Governors, metro mayors, rural Senators, people already versed in dealing with conflicting interests when it comes to budget issues and demographic differences. Spare me the CEOs next time around too. I'll take them as advisors if we can elect a President who actually values advice. :D
     
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    Since when is age relevant to that consideration? Obama is considerably younger than Trump, but, unless you choose to ignore objective reality, you have to acknowledge that he’s miles ahead of Trump when it comes to maturity and wisdom, and had far more relevant experience when he first took office.
     
  8. zin macrumors 6502

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    Obama armed terrorists. Wiretapped journalists. Signed indefinite detention. Toppled Gadaffi. Tried to topple Syria. Expanded mass surveillance. Supported the TPP.

    Wisdom. :rolleyes:
     
  9. RichardMZhlubb Contributor

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    Compare to Trump? Hell, yes!
     
  10. zin macrumors 6502

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    Style over substance. Sad.

    Sadly these ‘young’ Democrats are people who allied with Obama and Clinton, with the exception of Tulsi Gabbard. I think she could win. The general, not the nomination; she has no chance in the primary because it’ll be rigged again.
     
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    All you get is maturity on this one. And that is debatable. Maybe a better word would be "more articulate"
     
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    You mean like the guy we have now? :p
     
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    Bush started 2 unpaid wars. Trump is escalating another war. Reagan armed terrorists. Reagan wiretapped everybody. Trump just tripled our debt.

    All of which were at least 20 - 30 years older than Obama, with one of them a hell of a lot less mature, and more inexperienced.

    We can play tit-for-tat all bloody day.

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  14. zin macrumors 6502

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    What makes you think I have an iota of respect for George W. Bush or Ronald Reagan?

    Unlike some here, I don't play the letter-next-to-the-name game. Your 'whataboutism' is sad.
     
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    It doesn't matter about respect; it matters about who started the entire problem. But how about we go with this. Can you please remind us of who signed EO12333? The piece that enabled the wiretapping you are whinging about?

    I'll wait until your next reply.

    Yet you have, every time you blame Obama for something that is happening now. But it must only be okay if your side does it. Noted.

    BL.
     
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    I do admit that saying that someone has more wisdom than Trump is a ridiculously low bar, given that he's a blathering imbecile.
     
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    That's your argument? He didn't start it so it absolves him? He didn't just continue it, he expanded it. The fact you have reduced my argument on mass surveillance to 'whinging' is proof you do not take the issue seriously and are only interested in scoring political points.

    A total lie based on selective reading. Donald Trump is responsible for his disastrous decision in Syria and I said it at the time. Donald Trump is responsible for his stupid decisions to escalate relations with Russia. That does not give critical immunity to the actions of past presidents, which have exacerbated what is happening now, or in some cases have caused what is happening now. Further, the comment I was originally replying to was specifically about Obama.
     
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    Regarding the Title of thread: APPROVED! :D I remember when Texas was blue.
     
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    You still don't neglect the fact that whataboutism is thrown out the door when your side uses it. As I said earlier, noted.

    Additionally, the entire fact that the people who caused those problems to begin with were well into their 60s and 70s, which totally goes against the "maturity, experience, and wisdom" schtick you have been selling. That goes for Reagan, Bush, Bush, and Trump. But you only seem to bag on Obama, who apparently lacks that, let alone Castro and the younger ones coming up. Sorry, but the results from the side you support completely contradicts everything you are saying in this thread.

    BL.
     
  20. zin macrumors 6502

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    I have not used it. The comment I was quoting referenced Obama.

    Don't know who you're quoting. I never used those words. The poster I was replying to used them.

    Yes, it does.

    A lie that you are continuing to repeat.

    Either way, Obama is the predecessor to Trump. There are still Obama allies in Congress. Obama/Bush/Clinton/Reagan policies are the ones still in force. Obama just happens to be the last one there, so of course he is going to attract the most attention, followed by Bush and Clinton etcetera etcetera.

    I don't think the policies I listed put Obama in a good light when it comes to 'wisdom'. Feel free to think differently.
     
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    I'd love to see either Castro brother move up. They are both wonderful.

    We definitely need to age out politicians. Of course, term limits would help get us there faster....
     
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    Texas could go either way in 2020. Changing population demographics, a very high portion of independent voters (which appears to still be increasing), what appear to be an increasingly favorable view of immigration (with a majority of Texans seeing illegal immigration as a significant concern, yet who also oppose the border wall and oppose mass deportations), and perhaps the impression that Texas is by-default republican (leading to less emphasis in campaigning in an area that may be stereotypically thought of as a "safe bet") could all have influence.

    There are some methodology flaws in the question wording, and what method was used to draw a probability sample is not detailed, how the sample corresponds with (and was weighted against) population demographics is not detailed, nor is any action taken for nonresponse discussed. Nonetheless, some of findings are interesting food for thought.
     
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    She's one of the brightest and strongest options for the Democrats right now. I can't believe you wouldn't support a brown, Hindu woman as potential President.
     
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    She’s the favorite Democrat of Breitbart, David Duke and Assad. As I said, no thanks. Her religion and race are irrelevant.
     
  25. jerwin, Feb 11, 2018
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    Here's the Socialist Worker case against Tulsi Gabbard. Interesting stuff.

    https://socialistworker.org/2016/12/08/an-islamophobic-progressive

    We shouldn't expect ideological conformity among democrats. We shouldn't value ideological conformity in our governing institutions. So Gabbard shouldn't be dismissed simply because she holds views that are inconsistent with the democratic consensus at the moment.

    At the same time, it's clear that some "deplorables" value her opinions precisely because they clash so harshly with what progressive democrats see as the ideal.
     

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