Just bought brand new iPhone to use w/ tmobile, could possibly be 4.0.2, thoughts?

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  1. bluem00se macrumors newbie

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    Hi guys, I bought a brand new (factory sealed still) iPhone 4 on eBay today. Because it is sealed still, the seller does not know if the fw is 4.0.1 or 4.0.2. As I am planning on using the phone with my T-Mobile sim, I'm starting to worry that if it is 4.0.2, I will be stuck... I know 4.1 is coming next week, and surely the dev team will jailbreak it, but how would I go about jailbreaking my phone? I was thinking of activating it with a phonebook sim, upgrading to 4.1 upon its release, then use the 4.1 jailbreak (upon its release). But I'm also hearing that 4.1 won't work with the phonebook sim trick... so what could I do in that case? Any thoughts?
     
  2. Krafty macrumors 601

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    Should have asked the seller to check first, nothing you can do until you get the phone.
     
  3. bluem00se thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Well I did ask, but like I said it's sealed. He wouldn't just open it then because he was selling it new. But I was saying if it WAS 4.0.2, what you guys think my options may be, that's all. I figure worse comes to worse I have to sell it and buy another one, but I was just asking for some outside opinions on the matter.
     
  4. bigbro1096 macrumors 6502a

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    I was able to jailbreak my old 3g using redsnow while it was running 4.0.2
     
  5. Applejuiced macrumors Westmere

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    And that has nothing to do with JB an iphone 4 whatsoever.
    OP you might got lucky and got one with 4.0.1 depending how long ago the seller bought it.
     
  6. bluem00se thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Yeah, I think he bought it a few days ago though... I'm just hoping that some sort of solution will pop up by the time it arrives, or else I'll probably have to sell it and try again haha
     
  7. bella92108 macrumors 68000

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    So when you bought it you knew that if it was 4.0.1 you could JB\unlock, and if it was 4.0.2 you could not JB\unlock, so you emailed the seller asking for clarification. When he replied that he was unwilling to provide the information it didn't trigger any red flag, given that there are hundreds of sellers of iPhone 4 who do state on their posting if it's 4.0.1 or 4.0.2, and a plethora of 4.0.1 devices available, but you chose the one you bought because, let me guess, it was cheaper (gosh I wonder why?).... and now you're asking the question if there's anything you can do?

    Ugh. You created the problem yourself. Now you'll have to eat the 20% it costs to resell the thing on eBay or wait. I don't understand how people always expect the least likely scenario. There are people that gamble expecting to win. There are people who go to church expecting to find god, and there are people who buy used cars without taking them to their mechanic expecting there to be nothing wrong with them.... same mentality as buying an iPhone. You know it's very likely that it's a model which cannot be unlocked, but you chose to "believe" (and what's odd is you had ZERO indication that it was 4.0.1) in the minority chance, and you lost. Such a strange world we live in. I'll bet you even left the guy negative feedback when he did everything right.

    Enjoy your locked phone. Maybe next time you'll use logic and reason, and make a decision based on the facts and evidence presented, rather than the hope and belief that it'll be what you want it to be.

    You should buy a lottery ticket, most likely you'll win, right? LOL

    (sorry for going diatribe on this post, but it really struck a note with me... I sold a 3GS before they could be JB'd on 3.2, and the buyer was pissed he couldn't JB even though I told him it was 3.2, so he left me negative feedback. Uneducated people make America look foolish to the rest of the world)
     
  8. gatearray macrumors 65816

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    The serial number printed on the outside of the sealed box would have been the strongest clue.

    I *think* a week 33 or earlier would be 4.0.1 or previous OS. The 4th and 5th numbers are the week or manufacture, just so you know...

    Good luck!
     
  9. bella92108 macrumors 68000

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    The only issue with that theory is there are some stores where sales have been soft (odd huh?), and the store had the earlier models flashed to the new OS 4.0.2 so the "week" method works USUALLY, but not ALWAYS. It's not like there's a shortage of sellers selling iPhone 4 on ebay, my thinking if the seller is unwilling or unable to give me the details, I click NEXT and buy from someone else. You don't buy a used car without a history report ASSUMING it's okay, you just move on to the next car that has it's docs in order. lol. common sense.
     
  10. Applejuiced macrumors Westmere

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    That sucks, keep your fingers crossed though.
     
  11. gatearray macrumors 65816

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    Sorry, but no Apple stores went though their existing stock, opened sealed product, and "flashed" anything, believe me! There are no shrink-wrapping machines in the back room, and iP4 stock is lucky to stick around for a day or two, tops. I've read the posts around here suggesting such a thing, but I assure you, it's preposterous.

    To the rest of your points, I wholeheartedly agree.

    :)
     
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  13. Applejuiced macrumors Westmere

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    Thats nice.:rolleyes:
     
  14. bella92108 macrumors 68000

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    Huh? Are you smokin napkins? They don't flash IN the STORE... jeez. They go out with their courier (every day they get deliveries via their courier) and the devices needing to be updated go out via the courier and taken to the regional repair\distribution center for upgrading. They have a clean-room that gives them the white-glove treatment and re-sealing.

    :) I know this from personal experience. Many of the products go through this that sit stagnant on their shelves. Most stores just don't have piles of iPhones sitting around to need it, but it happens.
     
  15. bluem00se thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Geez relax man, Im not pissed at him. I jumped because the price was really good. I'm not gonna get mad at him if it's 4.0.2. I couldn't just ask him to open it before I won the bid to check because if someone else won the item, what would he say to them? He was selling the item as SEALED, brand new. I respect that and by the time I won the item and contacted him, he shipped it already because he's a good seller. If my phone is 4.0.2 I can sell it back at pretty much the same price I paid for it. I might lose a few bucks but I knew that going in, I never said I didn't. I know I'm taking a risk. But there's no need to rant at me for it.
     
  16. bella92108 macrumors 68000

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    Well you said you knew the risk of getting a 4.0.1 vs 4.0.2, so what are you really looking for someone to tell you? There are two scenarios:

    1) 4.0.1 - You jailbreak and enjoy.
    2) 4.0.2 - You don't jailbreak and don't enjoy.

    What exactly are you hoping to accomplish with this thread, then? It'll either work for you or not. There's no "thoughts" nor a magic bag of beans that'll jailbreak a device that you yourself stated you know can't be jailbroken.

    So what are you looking for from the community?
     
  17. gatearray macrumors 65816

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    Banana peels, actually, but that's beside the point... :)

    Yes, they might send out "stagnant" product with an older OS on it, like a CPU, or something, but spending the time and money shipping product back out and involving "clean rooms" so that some Mall Store in Topeka doesn't sell one of their 50 some-odd brand new released iPhone 4's with 4.0.1 on them? I'd like to know what you're smoking.

    Apple is really freaked about that 1 in 100 iPhone buyers who are gonna jailbreak, huh? :)

    I can tell you that after 4.0.2 came out, the demo phones at the store were not re-imaged for several days, even.

    And furthermore, no "clean room" is required to open a sealed box, connect a dock cable to a new iPhone (with plastic on the front and back glass), do a standard software update through iTunes, and close it back up and shrink. Sheesh.
     
  18. bella92108 macrumors 68000

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    Yes, they do use the same clean room as they do repairs in, but whatever you want to believe. If they just opened the boxes, connected and upgraded you'd see a billion posts on here about sealed boxes with finger prints on the screens inside. Duhh. They do gloves and anti-static gear.

    And where do you figure 1 in 100? Recent surveys show that approximately 10% of iPhones are jailbroken... and that study is like "what percentage is gay?" ... only the people who ADMIT it to the study are counted, so like gay vs straight, the jailbreak vs non-jailbreak number is probably higher than even the studies show. LOL....
     
  19. dhlizard macrumors G4

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    You are in the Philippines I believe. Do they have a clean room for iPhone 4 firmware upgrades there :rolleyes:
     
  20. bella92108 macrumors 68000

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    Huh I'm in San Francisco. I was in the Philippines\Hong Kong\Thailand when I posted about the texts.
     
  21. bluem00se thread starter macrumors newbie

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    I was asking for opinions from people who have more knowledge on the subject than I. I understand what you are saying. I'm regretting my decision, yes. At this point I'll probably sell it back or return it if I can. I was asking for opinions, any knowledge from someone who may know of a future solution etc. You could reply to my posts without the ranting at me or flaming me, or just not reply at all. I didn't intend to make anyone angry with such a harmless post, so please, there's no need to go off on me like that.
     
  22. bella92108 macrumors 68000

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    Okay, point taken. I just don't understand what you're looking to accomplish. You bought a brick and wanted a ball and one can't convert a brick to a ball. So you posted on here asking what people thing (as you know nobody can offer you a solution since one doesn't exist)...

    Opinions? I gave you mine. LOL ;-)
     
  23. gatearray macrumors 65816

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    Yes, I always use anti-static gear when I connect my phone to iTunes for firmware updates and syncs, for that matter. We all do. :)

    And I suppose one of the thousand microfiber cloths laying around there wouldn't clean the plastic right up with a quick wipe, let alone not eating cookies right before the alleged "anti-jb firmware flash" program that Apple has taken pains to implement. :)

    Also, all re-imaging of demo product whether it be CPUs or iPod or iPhone does NOT take place in a clean room, it happens in the back of house and often, right on the sales floor with a MacBook!

    Last I'll say on the subject, but clean rooms are for pulling the screen off an iMac or changing the LB on a MacBook, not for re-imaging an iPhone. With all due respect, you're out of your g**damn mind! :)

    I pulled the 1 out of 100 from thin air (not in a clean room, btw) but still, from Apple's perspective, until the exploit is patched, what's done is done.

    When they activate a customer's new iPhone at purchase in the store (making sure to not get fingerprints on the plastic when the Specialist handles it for those 2 minutes, of course) no one insists on upgrading that 4.0.1 leftover to 4.0.2 and that's all the proof needed to verify that what I'm saying is true. The same goes (went) for the iPads, btw.

    Gotta go to bed now, have a nice night.
     
  24. bluem00se thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Yeah... well like I said, I don't know as much about jailbreaking as lots of regulars on the forums. I mean, I have an old iPhone 2G that I've jailbroken about 4 times but this is clearly different. I think what happened was that I was overconfident at the time, saw a great price and snagged it. Then, over the course of the day I began to freak out. So, yeah, I guess you're right for pointing out the lunacy in my post. I've contacted the seller, who has not shipped it yet, and if he isn't willing to cancel the shipment, I'll just sell it back on eBay without opening it. Next time I'll make the smarter decision and buy one pre-unlocked, or confirmed to have 4.0.1. on it. So I guess something did come out of this post - I've at least realized how futile this all was haha. And yes - you did give me yours haha. thanks :p
     
  25. bella92108 macrumors 68000

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    I do hope for your sake that you get lucky and it has 4.0.1. Worst case we'll all be wanting a JB next week when 4.1 comes out, so we'll be right by your side in wishing and hoping. :)
     

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