Just received this message from a friend looking for a new phone and was surprised by the iPhone

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by Brad9753, Sep 16, 2015.

  1. Brad9753 macrumors member


    Jun 7, 2012
    Brisol, UK
    just received this via Facebook:
    "I'm looking at buying a new phone. I knew iPhones were expensive, but not 7x the price of their rivals! That's an increase of like 700%! Insane. Are people £600 just to have a picture of an apple on the back of their phone?
    I genuinely don't understand how they are so popular.
    Sure, they are 'good', but not 7x the price good.
    Although they are 'cool', they aren't impressive anymore, as everyone has them. No more cool than phones much cheaper than them. If anything, having an iPhone that expensive makes people think you are gullible to being financially raped.
    I know lots of intelligent people have iPhones, so there must be reasoning behind it.
    I don't think any of my iPhone owning friends have such low self-esteem they would be desperate enough to buy an iPhone to look 'normal'.
    As you are a highly intelligent person, with a good self-esteem, and a rational mind, please help me overcome my ignorance".

    My answer will cover:

    Samsungs nearest rival is not 7x cheaper. And if a phone is 7x cheaper then it is not a near rival

    The way the software and hardware are designed by the same company, making it more secure and smoother

    No need for virus software

    The way it syncs with my other apple things (he doesn't have anything else so this will not mean much)

    Regular and free updates to the software

    What would you guys cover off?
  2. satchow macrumors 6502

    Jul 11, 2011
    Samsung Note 5 and iPhone 6s Plus are the same exact price. Every comparable high tier Android phone is $600-$750.
  3. Jay43 macrumors member

    Sep 16, 2015
    I don't know which phone you're referring to but there are several other phones that have about the same pricing as the iphone.

    I chose to go with the iphone because I don't like Android. I've always found it less intuitive and I've always had to look for the things I wanted to do. Another thing is that there are not many other phones in Aluminum and that is something important to me :D
  4. Serickmetz macrumors 6502


    Sep 17, 2013
    I wouldn't worry too much about your reply back to him. I'm sorry to say but your friend is clearly ignorant and probably still won't understand once you explain it to him. He's got a lot to learn.
  5. Brad9753 thread starter macrumors member


    Jun 7, 2012
    Brisol, UK
    Yea that's my point. I don't know what he is comparing against. He has never had a high end phone. I think he thinks most phones do the same sort of things nowadays. Games, Facebook app, calls ect. He has just come from a windows phone to give you an idea.
  6. masotime macrumors 68020


    Jun 24, 2012
    San Jose, CA
    "Please help overcome my ignorance"...?

    I've found that smartphones are very much a personal preference thing. Some like to spend time customizing their phone. Some use only the most basic features and are happy with them. Some use it mostly to watch TV dramas during their daily commute.

    Different features delight different users. Ultimately you should use whatever suits you, and respect the choices made by others. Is there really a point in convincing him? You can provide a million reasons, but I find his response pretty condescending and somewhat self-centered (his viewpoint = the only reasonable viewpoint for intelligent, rational people). It just sounds humble with that last line.

    Frankly I would just respond with "Use whatever you like. That's all that matters isn't it?"
  7. Surf Donkey Suspended

    Surf Donkey

    May 12, 2015
    Your friend is obviously trolling or an idiot. Why bring their stupidity to the rest of us?
  8. Steve686 macrumors 68040


    Nov 13, 2007
    US>FL>Miami/Dade>Sunny Isles Beach>Condo
    It's like Ford vs. Chevrolet or Xbox vs. PlayStation.

    You like what you like and Apple customers exhibit one of the greatest cultures of brand loyalty in the world.

    Why waste your time trying to convince or convert people? Spend more time enjoying what you buy.
  9. watson10 macrumors member

    May 7, 2010
    Your friend's focus seems to be primarily on the idea that people choose iPhone based on the "cool" factor. That might be true in some countries but not most. I choose iPhone because of great design combined with ease of use. Followed quickly by solid operating system and an overabundance of useful apps.
  10. MJedi macrumors 6502a


    Dec 16, 2010
    Maybe he's comparing on-contract prices of the "rival" vs. the full-price of iPhones?
  11. 16Paws macrumors 6502a

    Jun 2, 2014
    I think a main reason to go iPhone outside of ecosystem advantages is the fact that you get updates. This can potentially be true if you go with a pure Google experience, but I hated that when I had an Android there were essentially no updates and if they happened I was always behind where Android actually was. I like tech and I like being at the front of it and I couldn't on my old Androids without rooting or exposing the system in ways that could be dangerous.
  12. satchow macrumors 6502

    Jul 11, 2011
    Even the "pure" Google Android updates were frustrating. They rolled them out (seemingly randomly) to select phones over the course of WEEKS. Even manually finding the patch file on the internet and manually applying it was frustrating too.
  13. tomekosiowy macrumors regular


    Dec 7, 2013
    For most people (including me) the only reason they still use iPhones (and/or iPads) are exclusively made (and great) apps for iOS, not possible to create and even to port onto other platforms and OSes. It is becouse of iOS design (great co-operation between hardware and software). But overall design (in meaning of devices body, assemblation and materials) of iPhones is not so great (in comparision to the expensive price).
  14. ultravisitor macrumors 6502a


    Sep 6, 2015
    Chicago, IL
    I would explain the difference between subsidized pricing and off-contract pricing.
  15. noobinator macrumors 603


    Jun 19, 2009
    Pasadena, CA
  16. deeddawg macrumors 604

    Jun 14, 2010
    Sounds like you're being trolled.

    If you aren't, and your friend is really open to discuss, ask them why people might buy a BMW 3-series instead of a Suzuki Alto.

    Just remember you can't argue against emotion with facts.
  17. Knowlege Bomb macrumors 603

    Knowlege Bomb

    Feb 14, 2008
    Madison, WI
    My goto explanation is usually Apple customer service/Genius Bar.

    What happens when your Android phone has an issue, manufacturer defect or user-inflicted? With Apple I just drive 10 minutes (I realize not everybody is this close but the people I'm talking to have the same advantage), let them know what the problem is and it's fixed on the spot, more often than not for free.
  18. willmtaylor macrumors G3


    Oct 31, 2009
    A Natural State
    One must be trolling or an idiot to not understand the price discrepancy and differences of mobile phones? Hardly. He already said his friend doesn't know much beyond calls, texts, and Facebook, so maybe mobile devices aren't that important to him. Maybe those things are all his friend needs in a phone, so any old phone will do.

    Simply not being as well-versed in the same fields as you doesn't make one an idiot or a troll. Judgemental much?
  19. ABC5S Suspended


    Sep 10, 2013
    Actually your friend is referring Apple to a flip dumb phone at 7 + times cheaper. Think about it
  20. spades1412 macrumors 6502

    Jun 12, 2009
    Show me a "Rival" smartphone that is truly 7x cheaper than the iPhone 6s or 6s Plus.
  21. GrumpyMom macrumors 604


    Sep 11, 2014
    Show him how much junk the carriers stuff onto Android. Which is usually on top of the junk manufacturers load over Android. I know there is a massive thread complaining about us not being able to remove stock Apple apps from our iPhones but that's world's different from having AT&T all in your face controlling your experience.
  22. HEK macrumors 68040


    Sep 24, 2013
    US Eastern time zone
    Your friend should buy the cheapest phone he can find. To him price is everything. Explaining where he is wrong won't convince or help him. One person's reason is another person's excuse. From his perspective he is not wrong. He may be perfectly happy with a low end phone, doesn't need all the bells and whistles.
  23. Surf Donkey Suspended

    Surf Donkey

    May 12, 2015
    I am judgmental towards people acting helpless and they are being an idiot. I am sure they know how to use a web browser and Google. If someone sent me this crap I would block them.
  24. Italianblend macrumors 68000


    Mar 21, 2011
    tell your friend if he or she knew someone who was raped for real, they wouldn't throw the term around so loosely.
  25. MacDawg macrumors Core


    Mar 20, 2004
    "Between the Hedges"
    Easiest solution is to "unfriend" your friend on FB

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