"Keep your so-called workers," U.S. boss tells France

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  1. jnpy!$4g3cwk macrumors 65816

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    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/20/us-france-workers-idUSBRE91J0OF20130220

    Curiously enough, I have Michelin tires on both vehicles. These are not performance vehicles, but, Michelin tires corner better and don't feel squishy, compared to most U.S. tire brands. But, I will have to reconsider if it is true that the factory workers are only working three hours/day ;)
     
  2. yg17 macrumors G5

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    They get a whole hour for lunch in France? The horror! Damn lazy socialist Frenchies! :rolleyes:
     
  3. vrDrew macrumors 65816

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    Its one thing to be a hard-nosed, cost-conscious businessperson. Its another thing, entirely, as Mr Taylor has done, to insult an entire nation of workers.

    Bragging about paying workers in China or India one Euro (about $1.30) per hour to make tractor tires? Classy move there, Morrie.

    Having spent a couple of weeks in France this past summer, I think the French lifestyle has a tremendous amount going for it. Free universal healthcare, five weeks paid vacation for everyone. Beautiful scenery, fabulous wine and food. Gorgeous women. There's a lot to like.

    We Americans might do ourselves a favor and ask why we let jerks like Mr Taylor dictate the crappy benefit and vacation policies that they do. US workers are (on a GDP basis) the most productive in the world. Yet almost half of all full time workers take less than 10 days paid vacation each year, work longer hours than almost any other industrialized country.

    I'll think about what an ass Mr Taylor is the next time I'm choking down a cold sandwich in the bleak storeroom that serves as our "dining" area. (That's if I'm able to sneak off long enough to grab a bite to eat during my sometimes ten hour workday.) And I'll think about watching French working people (telecom lineworkers, plumbers, electricians, etc.) tucking into a delicious five course lunch - with a glass of wine! - in just about every Normandy town and village I visited.

    Taylor might be an insensitive jerk. But we Americans are the saps for putting up with the garbage greedheads like him have foisted on us.
     
  4. WestonHarvey1 macrumors 68020

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    It's not the lunch hour so much as the other half of the day spent not working.

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    It's nice but it comes at a cost. They may be able to pay those costs to enjoy that lifestyle forever. But there's no guarantee.
     
  5. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Which sounds like ******** to me...
     
  6. WestonHarvey1 macrumors 68020

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    Only because it clashes with your experience of wherever it is you live.

    I actually wouldn't be surprised if the United States has the same issue, with office workers anyway. How many hours a day do they spend on Facebook? (Or MacRumors?)

    And with mobile, hell, it could be an issue in every job for all I know.
     
  7. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    My roommate had client meetings in France, when he proposed they meet at 8:30 they said it was too early, switched to 10:30 and expected to be out of office every day by 3:30 with a lunch break between.
     
  8. samiwas macrumors 65816

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    Sounds like you're jealous. ;)
     
  9. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    Im not saying it wouldn't be nice, but if it was my company footing the bill I wouldn't be allowing it.
     
  10. likemyorbs macrumors 68000

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    I'm surprised they don't get paid strike time too. The lunch break comment is stupid, but I definitely see his point. Why would he do business in France when he could pay people from cultures with a superior sense of work ethic less money? The real question to ask here is why this Republican patriot won't build another factory here at home.
     
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    I sure as hell am.

    But as an American, I know that by not accepting anything less than my boss grinding me down to a shell of my former self through 10 hour work days and 3 off days a year, and not paying me any benefits whatsoever for the time I put in breaking my back to make someone else rich is tantamount to accepting socialism.
     
  12. samiwas macrumors 65816

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    But of course! If you want to make enough money to live on, you need to bust your ass, give up everything, and risk the world to get it. Because that's America! **** yeah!

    Thankfully, I work in a business where that crap is not put up with for the most part. Much of the business is unionized, and the places that aren't generally follow the union "rules". Those that don't are seen as the dregs and only the yokels work for them or they're working there for fun. I'm not talking anything unreal. I'm talking about a work day being 8-10 working hours, two 15-minute breaks in that span, a 1-hour lunch, and generally overtime paid after those 8-10 hours, depending on where you're working. Sounds like normal life to me, but I'm sure it reeks of socialism to some.
     
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    I wish people did work less and get paid more. France sounds like they have it right.

    You have one life to live, it sucks spending so much time at work and not getting to enjoy it. (And yes I am well aware people have it far worse than us in the U.S.).
     
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    It's called pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, people! Hop to! :mad:

    You know, we all want to get back to the glory days of the 50's. Where men made the money, and women kept house and cooked dinner. You know, that's all well and good, but why stop there? Why don't we go back another couple decades?

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    Why aren't kids allowed to pull up their bootstraps the same as adults? I mean what are children but a bunch of little toe headed socialists sucking at the government teat until they're 18? It's sickening!

    I say we send em back to the coal mines! My granddaddy used to work in the mines back when he was 9. Toughest bastard you ever met. Pure American all the way to the bone.

    Or at least that's what I heard. Never got to meet him. He died of the black lung shortly before I was born. Lived to the ripe old age of 42.

    Hard work didn't hurt him none, so why the hell are we coddling our kids now? Just like that old song says, we need to sell their soul to the company store!

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    In all seriousness, it isn't necessarily about working less. It's about being fairly compensated for what you do.
     
  15. obeygiant macrumors 68040

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    What the hell are you going on about?
     
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    ...I don't remember writing that. What happened? What did I do? :O
     
  17. Idefix macrumors 6502

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    If you look further into the kerfuffle you'll find out that Taylor's company already owns another Michelin tire factory in France--which is why he was asked to look into acquiring the failing company--and Taylor's other Michelin factory is quite profitable and also quite prolific, with union workers who are quite happy with their company contract and their management.

    The bankrupt company turns out Goodyear tires and is probably under another union. Who knows what led to the bankruptcy but it seems the workers would rather be on the dole than work an honest day.

    Much of the story should be focused on why the French government released the letter: The government popularity is declining and they need to boost their image.

    It doesn't help that previous governments have looted the treasury which is running on empty.
     
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    Here's what I don't get.....

    We in the USA have so many low-wage workers working in retail and food sectors, why don't these people unionize and fight for better wages and working conditions? Why is it so hard for us to learn from countries like France and Germany and adopt the policies they have with their equivalent of low-wage workers and actually pay our workers a livable wage?
     
  19. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    It might be that that company has flexitime ;).
     
  20. zioxide macrumors 603

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    Sounds pretty awesome to me.

    Don't know why America has the culture of working yourself in to the ground. You only live once, might as well enjoy it a bit and not spend all your time wasting it working.
     
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    Dunno bout France, but here in Germany we have millions of people working fulltime still having to ask the goverment for extra cash to get to a very basic standard of living.

    (there is NO general minimum wage, and even "union-wages" are sometimes below 5Euro)
     
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    This is the best post of the thread
     
  23. elistan macrumors 6502a

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    In terms of GDP per hour worked, France gets 95.8% of the USA.
    http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DatasetCode=LEVEL
    So pay an average French worker for 35 hours of work in a week, and you get the equivalent of 33.5 hours of work from a US worker.
    That's a far cry from his claim of only 5*3=15 hours of work.
    Unless he's starting from the basis that US workers only do 3.13 hours of work per day.
     
  24. takao macrumors 68040

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    i have found meetings too early or too late in the daytime useless because either a lot of people aren't at full RPM yet or are already too powered

    which result to misunderstandings and thus further meetings or telephone conferences down the road..
     
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    Most of your pay would go to union dues. Plus the newly hired worker gets less in benefits but still paying the same union dues. The reason retailers are in business is because they can pay employees crap while padding the bottum line. A union shop would just force the company to lay off half the workforce
     
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