Kerry endorses Obama

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  1. Naimfan macrumors 68040

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  2. Swarmlord macrumors 6502a

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    Shows you what a great pair they would have made had they won.
     
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    I keep hearing he didn't like Edwards and they disagreed over just how much involvement he would have in the campaign. Plus, they were both named John. That has to be confusing. Either he thinks it'll help and would rather have Obama, or he thinks it'll hurt and wants to help Hillary. Or he just wanted to look cool. Somehow I doubt it will mean much either way, but if we combine it with all the others, certainly is a knock at Hillary and her campaign.

    Maybe they think she can't win, or that she will and would do a bad job.
     
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    You know, you may be right about that considering their constituency.
     
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    Swarmlord, we get it. You don't like Kerry or Edwards. Move on, okay? :rolleyes:
     
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    Was that really necessary? If you really want to go there, one of your own even admitted once that "Most people are Republicans, unless they have too much education. Then they're Democrats" or something like that. I can't remember who said it. ;)
     
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    Is being endorsed by a losing candidate a benefit or the kiss of death?
     
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    It didn't do Howard Dean any good.
     
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    I think it's unlikely to matter. But the NY Times Caucus mentioned one analysis that if anything, it can only help, at least in the battle for accumulating positive media images.
     
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    The impact is probably entirely in the margins, which could matter but probably won't. Still, it's telling for those of us who follow the inside stories in politics.
     
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    I think a Gore endorsement would matter far more. There are still tons of Democrats (myself included), who really really wish Gore had run and are, for that reason, lukewarm about the current candidates.
     
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    Another losing candidate, but yes I think so, given Gore's following. It would also be read as a slap at the Clintons. For that reason alone, I think Gore is will try to remain above it all. He might also harbor some hopes of becoming the consensus candidate in a brokered convention, though this has to be a very long shot.
     
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    I honestly think he likes his standing in the private sector more than the risks of re-entering politics. I don't think he's banking on a brokered convention by any means. But I do agree with you that he will try to remain above it, esp. since his 2004 horse in the race lost.

    As far as Gore being another losing candidate, remember that among many Democrats, Gore is still not perceived as being a loser. The 2000 election almost politically martyred him, and it definitely has enhanced his estimation with the party rank and file. And while Gore has completely remade himself into a much more popular and influential figure than he was in the late 90s, Kerry has just grown stale. So even if you consider them to be two losers, one of the losers has managed to be reborn as a winner.
     
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    I couldn't agree more with the substance of your whole post.
     
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    I wonder if Edwards is mad because of this endorsement?
     
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    Edwards def didn't expect an endorsement for himself..
     
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    From everything I've been reading about the souring of their relationship, I think you are definitely right.
     
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    Gore is popular among some Democrats, but this is probably the limits of his political appeal. Martyrdom appeals mainly to true believers and has a way of turning everyone else off. But I agree with you about Kerry -- he's essentially irrelevant now. His endorsement will be forgotten by the next news cycle, if it hasn't been already.
     
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    At risk of extending an off-topic discussion, polling data seemed to suggest that Gore would have done pretty well had he run. However, that might be because people like Gore the non-candidate more than Gore the candidate, and it could be that if he had run, those numbers would have slipped. But yeah, his favorables were higher and his unfavorables were lower than most of the other Democratic candidates in the field.
     
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    I don't doubt that Gore would have done well in the primaries, but I think in the general election he'd probably do an Adlai Stevenson double belly-flop.
     
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    I think he would have been able to pull it off. But then again, I think a monkey would be able to pull it off against any one of these candidates except for McCain.
     
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    Endorsements dont mean jack squat unless they are coming from the masses. This endorsement like most others isnt worth much but it may line up $$$ from the corporate lobbiest who own Kerry hence will now own Obama. Again the paid off politician is suppose to represent us:confused:
     
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    Is anything he says? Don't bother confronting though, I'm sure he'd say he isn't calling the Dems dumb. Not that he'll say what he actually means if it isn't that, which of course it is. He'd just say we're all out to get him and misunderstand him on purpose to make him look bad because we're the ones who are partisan.
     
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    You know, to be fair, I don't see too many generally-accepted reprisals 'round here for snarky comments about conservatives. So let's give him a break.

    That's why this forum was created: So we could all be jerks. :D
     
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    besides which, personal attacks against other posters is supposed to be against the forum rules isn't it?
     

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