Kurdish independence, Catalan secession

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  1. Solomani, Sep 21, 2017
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    Two somewhat distantly related issues…. but concerning for most Western powers, to say the least.

    1. Is it time to recognize Kurdish independence? Have they "deserved it" (as their supporters would say)? Regardless of what the neighbors think, the Kurds are voting on it anyways.

    Israel openly supports an independent Kurdistan (it's in the news). No surprise, Iran Turkey and Iraq all three vow to crush any independent Kurd republic.


    2. Catalan secession from Spain. October 1st, they get to vote. If they overwhelmingly vote "YES" to their independence, and Madrid cracks down to annul the people's vote …. one can only think of what is going to happen in the streets of Barcelona. Maybe Donald might…. not might…. he will certainly (and stupidly) take sides here. But whose side will he take? Will he take the side of the Madrid Monarchy and then threaten (bluff) US military action against Barcelona? It sounds moronic, but definitely something predictable coming from Infantile Donald's Tweets.

    Russian agents are accused of fomenting Catalan secession, a campaign to stoke tensions and get the people of Catalunya riled up. So is WikiLeaks Assange, he is loudly supporting and rallying for Catalan independence. The rest of the West are pretty much unsettled by the idea of a breakaway Catalan republic.
     
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    I don't know about the Kurds, I'm not that au faix with the history.

    However I do know a little bit about Catalan independence. Madrid will annul the vote, Spain relies hugely on Catalunya's wealth for economical support.
     
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    Looks like a lot of riot police being sent to monitor.
    Last I checked secession only had about 40% support but that is from a while ago.
     
  4. niploteksi macrumors regular

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    It would be like the best birthday present for Trump if Catalonia votes for independence.
     
  5. Solomani, Sep 22, 2017
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    And maybe Texas will give him another birthday present in the near future….
    --- Post Merged, Sep 22, 2017 ---
    The Kurdish people and "nation" is actually an ancient concept. In past centuries, there actually were Kurdish nation-states or empires. One of the greatest Muslim heroes of the Middle Ages was Saladin. Arch-enemy of Richard the Lion-hearted. Saladin was a Kurd…. who unified all the Saracens/Muslims in their wars against the Crusaders.

    However, ever since the Middle Ages, Kurdistan pretty much got carved up by more powerful imperialistic neighbors…. the Persians under the Safavids, the Ottomans, etc. And the final insult was when Great Britain after WW1 was responsible for the final "carve-up" of modern Kurdistan. Britain, as you recall, was the victor in the Middle East at the end of WW1, thanks to Lawrence of Arabia's military success. The Brits determined the national borders of Persia, the defeated Ottoman Turks, and the borders of modern Iraq and Saudi Arabia, as well as the borders of what would become Palestine-Israel and Jordan.

    As for the Kurdish populated areas… Britain was like…. here Iran, you get to keep this little slice of Kurdistan. And here you go Iraq, you get this little enclave of Kurdistan. And here's something for you Turkey, even tho we completely thrashed you in WW1, you get a consolation prize and it's in the form of a few small rebellious provinces populated by Kurdish people. Now everyone enjoy your gifts and play nice!
     

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