Last Mac "Made in USA?"

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by corbin_a2, Oct 30, 2009.

  1. corbin_a2 macrumors regular

    Jan 7, 2002
    I just looked at the bottom of my old iMac G3 and it says, "assembled in USA."

    Anyone know when Apple abandoned U.S. manufacturing?
  2. MultiFinder17 macrumors 68000


    Jan 8, 2008
    Tampa, Florida
    My dual 500Mhz G4 tower was assembled in the US, and that was in 2001, so sometime after then :)
  3. Dont Hurt Me macrumors 603

    Dont Hurt Me

    Dec 21, 2002
    Yahooville S.C.
    Quicksilvers were still made in California. That was the 733 g4. New iMac is built in Communist China.
  4. XboxEvolved macrumors regular

    Aug 22, 2004
    Thats what I figured...I always heard less problems about hardware with G4s and such...G5 they started to screw things up a bit but it seems to be hit or miss, just as some of the Intel ad campaigns Apple created suggested.
  5. OatmealRocks macrumors 6502a

    Jul 30, 2009
    In another forum there was an interesting thread about buying an iPod. Basically it came down to the manufacturing capacity and cost for one iPod. Would you be willing to pay eg. $219 vs $279 for the same iPod?

    Personally I think it is hard to judge or having them built in USA was better than what we have been getting for the pass 5 years. The models and platforms are very much different and more complex.

    I don't think capacity, cost and quality can be beat from sourcing from overseas though.. I do agree quality dependent on product can vary. However the quality of apple products is very good and they have very good specifications that are meet from production in China. Question is could the same quality level be meet in USA? and at what cost?
  6. dlewis23 macrumors 6502a

    Oct 23, 2007
  7. eawmp1 macrumors 601


    Feb 19, 2008

    Yes, the same quality level could be met in the USA, just at an exorbitant cost. Our increased standard of living expectations, our increase cost of basic living, health care, pensions, adherence to safety/environmental regulations all drive up the cost of domestic manufacturing.

    In the late 70's and 80's, the quality of cars coming out of Detroit and other USA cities was laughable. If anything, Asian vehicles were far superior in quality. Quality has more to do with quality control, not geography. We need to face it, low-pay manufacturing/assembly jobs are GONE, and will not be coming back.
  8. Hellhammer Moderator


    Staff Member

    Dec 10, 2008
    It's built there but everything is manufactured in China
  9. fungus macrumors regular


    Sep 30, 2008
    My early 2008 MBP was "assembled in California" last June. New, not refurb.
  10. RexTraverse macrumors 6502

    Feb 10, 2008
    They're commies?! Then why am I seeing rudimentary free market? :eek:

    (can't resist a Simpsons quote opportunity)
  11. Irishman macrumors 68030

    Nov 2, 2006
  12. alent1234 macrumors 603

    Jun 19, 2009
    most of the value of any product built in China is still from the USA. Most of the R&D for computers, iphones, etc is in the USA. The newest Intel CPU's are made in the USA but packaged in other countries like Malaysia and then sent to China to be put into computers.

    putting parts together into a working computer is not high tech
  13. MacHamster68 macrumors 68040


    Sep 17, 2009
    lets face it , they had to move production to china , to compete with other intel pc`s havin nearly the same hardware as others has its downsides you cant charge a lot more , as people don`t believe in better quality if they look inside and see the same stuff :rolleyes:

    other option would have been to stay with the ibm/motorola processors , and get the production to germany , which would have solved all worry`s about quality issues , ok there would have been a small downside,
    a imac would cost in the basic version 20000 dollars if produced in germany
    but with superb build quality :D

    so it was your decision , you did want a affordable mac ,you did not ask for better quality , so production had to move to china
  14. bobob macrumors 68030


    Jan 11, 2008
    It would be interesting to have a poll on that question. My guess, based on observing people around me, is that 90% would go for the lower price with no regard for the local economy.
  15. OatmealRocks macrumors 6502a

    Jul 30, 2009
    The consumer dictates the supply push and demand pull in a free market. I think there should be less emphasis on Made in USA # 1, CHINA = COMMUNIST/low quality. It is a global economy and when push comes to shove I rather have a product that is cheaper. I want what's best value for my dollar. Just like organizations wants to make the most profit. If this means organizations have to make concession on the way they have previously done business in the interest to meet corporate objectives that satisfy both shareholders and consumers than so be it.

    It is not fair to say China makes crap as there are many situation where US based labor have not had the greatest quality track record. (MB/BMW SUV comes to mind) If anything as I mentioned consistency, capacity, quality and cost is China's strong attribute. Would we even make top 3 or 5? in a global scale. Most of our consumer goods and expectation would not be what we expect if it wasn't for China and other source countries. I suspect manufacturing locally would mean 50%~double cost. Failure on AQL assessment quality level will double easy.

    We can't really have it both ways.. complain on quality or where its made (china bashing) but want things at a low price.

    I see this a lot in another forum I surf. It is related with photography products. They are quick to bash Chinese made products (generalize based) than actually owning a product. What's rich is the fact they will buy the very same product from a US company who only re-badge the very same item @ 3 times the cost and welcome it with open arms.

    bobob: Yes and its everyone's right. I just don't think it's fair when people think jobs, skills, resources, manufacturing is being lost to other Countries and it is automatically considered BAD and the other type of bad tasteful comments that seem to pop up.
  16. alent1234 macrumors 603

    Jun 19, 2009
    i remember i bought some furniture from Thomasville in 2003. I bought one of the last bedroom sets made in the US at the North Carolina factory. All the new stuff was being made in China at a brand new state of the art factory near Shanghai.

    My US made furniture is all crooked and uneven and the Chinese stuff looks really nice because it's made by machine. i looked at it side by side in the store.
  17. ep939 macrumors newbie

    Oct 30, 2009
    i thought the early 09 imacs were made in USA too?? right?
    i ordered my new 24" 2.66 imac on in may and apparently, it is "Assembled in USA", it was shipped from california and took 2 days to get to Canada!! and so far, i have to say the mac is doing welL!!:p
  18. MacHamster68 macrumors 68040


    Sep 17, 2009
    that is quiet common for of misleading consumers something would be build in their country , "assembled in usa " only means not more then all parts come premanufactured in this case from china and get put together in usa
    if most , actually it would be enough to justify the term "assembled in" if apple would fit the stand to the case .
    but all manufacturers produce in asia, apple is not alone and you have no choice any more as wages in the western world are that high it would make products complety produced in western counry`s next to unaffordable
    nearly all products be it computers, coffee machines , or cars are at least partly produced in asia
    just one example for a product that is entirely produced in the western world
    the rollce royce phantom gets assembeld in uk with parts produced in germany its still a car ,but not really a car i would consider as affordable ,but highest possible quality , they could not produce it in china and maintain the same quality standard
  19. JoeG4 macrumors 68030


    Jan 11, 2002
    Bay Area, Ca.
    All of the PowerMacs I've owned were built in the US - specifically 2 G4s and 2 G5s (at least one of them was).

    AFAIK The Mac Pros are still built here too. I find the quality assertion laughable (that US labor isn't as good), since the Mac Pros are some of the highest quality machines you can buy.

    A friend of mine is an avid Honda buyer. He's had more problems with his Japanese-built Accord (strangely enough), than he did with the American-built Accord he replaced it with - and both had more problems than my Canadian-built 300C.

    Computer parts are a sorta different story, there's several very important pieces to a desktop:

    1. Good power supply
    2. Good fans
    3. Good capacitors
    4. PCB quality (good soldering).

    #1-3 in a desktop are the most likely cause of a machine having a short lifespan. #4 is more of an issue in laptops, where it's backed by the case structure (.. apple doesn't really win in that sense).

    Seriously though, where it's built probably doesn't matter as much as the quality of the product itself. I DO feel however, that Apple would be to a benefit in marketing if they made their hardware in the US.

    They'd probably save a fortune in air shipping new products over, get plus points for being 'green', etc.

    Specifics are needed:
    A lot of the new Intel chips are made in Costa Rica
    Many computer parts are made in Taiwan

    Just saying! Gigabyte makes some great motherboards, and they're a Taiwanese company. EVGA also makes some great motherboards, and they're American.

    The only real thing US-based companies seem to win at is industrial design and perhaps innovation. Practically every major product or service was created here.. not necessarily by europeans that came here on the mayflower (lol), but it was still created here.

    You probably use iChat - created by AOL, or MSN, created by.. MS. Practically all computers are running Windows, OS X, or a Linux-related distro that was created in the US [I can think of exceptions that are still based off Linux]. The most popular phones lately have been made by Motorola, Palm, and Blackberry - all based in the US, with the exception of Nokia (swedish?)

    The only things people seem to swear by that are authentically Asian are cameras. Fuji, Canon, Nikon, ... practically every company except Kodak.
  20. Ruahrc macrumors 65816

    Jun 9, 2009
    I think that even in the case of things made in China, it has less to do with where it's made rather what we (as a whole) are willing to pay for it. Chinese manufacturing can be very good but the problem is that nobody will pay for it. It's all about defining tolerances and QA procedures to ensure the quality of product produced. If you want a higher quality product then you need to tighten the tolerances but this will raise the price. Even in the lower cost environment of Chinese manufacturing you can't attain that quality without making it a price beyond what the market will bear.

    Apple may get marketing value for Made in the US but nobody will buy a $4000 iMac. Plus I think the vast majority of goods that flows between Asia and North America goes on ships :)
  21. MacHamster68 macrumors 68040


    Sep 17, 2009
    to put everything said in one sentence :

    "you get what you pay for "

    simple is that , affordable for everyone or highest possible quality
    so all manufacturers try to find the compromise between quality , keeping the product affordable and making as much profit as possible and being competitive :D
  22. jf8 macrumors regular

    Aug 8, 2007
    Computers are probably "Assembled in USA" so that custom orders can be fulfilled quickly and shipped cheaply. The components are almost certainly manufactured by other companies in other countries. Many components are not specific to Apple systems (such as socketed Intel CPUs) and some components can be obtained from competing manufacturers (such as hard disks and RAM).

    RIM (BlackBerry) is a Canadian company.

    Nokia, Samsung and LG are the leaders in mobile phone sales, and the last two are Korean. Nokia is by far the largest. Motorola is behind Sony Ericsson in sales. Of those five manufacturers, Samsung and LG are the only ones who are gaining market share.

    Some video card and motherboard "manufacturers" don't manufacture their products or design anything besides the marketing materials.
  23. OatmealRocks macrumors 6502a

    Jul 30, 2009
    Exactly. ROI to move production infrastructure in North America in the interest of "Made in USA" would sink Apple. $4000 imac I believe it. To even consider every facet of Apple to be solely in USA would incur even more cost. How about support & service agreements to these products. Quality wise it can be done but that would require must higher pay skilled labor. Globally Apple products would be too far of a reach for most consumers. Market share will sink and "Made in USA" might as well be "Made for USA" (some times EU har har).

    Regarding "Assembled in USA" Not sure about computers but I know someone who's family manufacture textiles and one component of their business is making underwear. Well "Made in Canada" is underwear that is 95% completed in China and the last 5%( maybe less actually) is the label and the one seam at one end to make the underwear complete (which is done in Canada jsut within regulations). I'm not sure trading term difference with USA and CANADA but if I had to guess I would suspect USA is more lax when it comes to global commerce.
  24. OrangeSVTguy macrumors 601


    Sep 16, 2007
    Northeastern Ohio
    The only "manufacturing" jobs that are left in America are burger builders. And how many times have they messed up your order.... Do you want them building your next iMac :p.
  25. mhnajjar macrumors 6502a


    Mar 3, 2008
    One of the iMacs I had last year was assembled in the US according to serial number :)

    It was confirmed by the Apple specialist as well.

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