Latest round of new gun control fails in the Senate

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  1. lostngone macrumors demi-god

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    The vote on Monday(6/20) failed to pass however this latest victory being about as short lived as possible it looks like they already have to next anti-gun bill already chambered and ready for a vote as early as Tuesday(6/21).

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/20/politics/senate-gun-votes-congress/index.html
    "Washington (CNN)Senators couldn't muster enough bipartisan support to pass a series of gun control measures Monday, the latest in a long string of failed attempts at enacting tighter curbs on firearms in the United States."

    They keep trying and it keeps failing and rather than looking at the truth they blame the NRA. The only time they get a chance to push their agenda is when emotions are high right after a tragedy like the one in Orlando when support temporarily swings in their favor.
     
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    Never let a tradgedy go to waste.
     
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    Of course Congress is not worried about semi-automatic weapons. They work in an environment in which carrying firearms is illegal and they have an army of armed police officers at the door to protect them... unlike the rest of the people in the US.

    EDIT: corrected 'automatic' to 'semi-automatic'. My point still stands. Congress does not take the burden of risk about guns that the average US citizen does.
     
  4. Snoopy4 macrumors 6502a

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    Which automatic weapons?
     
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    Partisanship is more important than the lives of innocent people. That's the message we should all take from this.
     
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    Well i would imagine in the U.S. deaths from automatic weapons are near 0 since in order to buy one you need at least a few thousand dollars and probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 5-7,000. I'm not really worried about them either. Now if I were worried about being shot, I'd worry about the weapons people actually use, which are handguns. But I think they don't look scary enough so we'll probably just keep ignoring them.
     
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    Thomas Sowell wrote:

    Many gun control advocates have cited the much higher murder rates in the United States than in England as due to tighter gun control laws in England. But Professor Malcolm’s study points out that the murder rate in New York has been some multiple of the murder rate in London for two centuries — and, during most of that time, neither city had serious restrictions on gun ownership.
     
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    People have been used to that for a very long time, since radio show DJs all seem jubilant when the end result of an election is gridlock. Or if all the politicians go their way, but then blame the other side with a big blanket because the stereotype DJ has an IQ too low to contemplate anything even remotely complex... :(
     
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    If they made it harder for nutters or terrorists to get hold of guns, people wouldn't be rushing out and panic buying firearms. Those Senators with shares in arms companies don't want that! Nooo way.
     
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    Democrats really should call the Republican's bluff on mental health being the reason behind these shootings and introduce a bill for universal mental health care. It would probably help a bit, but mostly it would show that universal care for at least one aspect of health isn't bad, and hopefully open the door for universal health care. And for gun control it would take away the mental health angle so after a few more shootings moderate Republicans might be willing to consider some common sense reforms.
     
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    Are you afraid to post the link to this drivel?
     
  14. Snoopy4 macrumors 6502a

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    The Constitution is more important than letting a tradgedy go to waste.
     
  15. VulchR macrumors 68020

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    My bad. semi-automatic weapons. Apologies for the error. :oops:
     
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    "partisanship"
    seems 2 were democrat proposals and 2 were republican proposals, easy to cry "partisanship" while overlooking what was proposed
     
  17. lostngone thread starter macrumors demi-god

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    GET OUT! GET OUT!

    The plan is to sell California to Mexico to fund building of the wall!
     
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    sucks here, freaking STUPID, this is why we are tired and say " not one more inch", too many feel good stupid laws.
     
  19. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    Un****ing believabe that we can't even get universal background checks passed. Guns>American people.
     
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    Take a look at why.
     
  21. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    RIGHTS, not guns, even the ACLU is against the stupid proposals.
     
  22. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    Now you have a problem with universal background checks?
     
  23. Limey77 macrumors regular

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    I think that most people would welcome an honest discussion about guns in the US. There are hard truths to be faced that neither side likes and that causes an impasse.

    Sadly funding into gun research is banned, any discussion about registers/background checks/bans is immediately inflated to "banning all guns". There is a middle ground and only adult discussion can find it.

    Gun owners are right that AR15s aren't the big problem. But at the same time they refuse to address the real problem which is handguns and the proliferation of firearms in general.

    Anti gun people are right that the less guns there are, the safer the public. But their conflating automatic with semi-auto does them no favours.

    There are categoric studies that show that the more guns there are in a state then the more people die. Likewise there are definitive studies that show that bringing a gun into your home makes you less safe than not having a gun at all.

    These are things that need to be addressed in the US otherwise things will only get worse. It is very sad that an actual discussion can never get started (and yes both sides are to blame). But the idea that stricter controls, a register and some form of competency/liability be enforced is wrong.

    I know people will bang on about the 2nd amendment, but it is only due to Scalia that the current interpretation is accepted. Most others and all other international ones differ. A slight change in the SCOTUS could lead to the banning of many, many guns very shortly. So it is the gun owners interest to enter this debate asap. Otherwise the future for gun owners in the US could be very bleak.
     
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    come'on, this was about the watch list, not BG checks.
     

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