Le Brexit: zing!

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by cube, Oct 21, 2016.

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    I don't really understand why having talks in anything other than English is news worthy?
     
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    what a non-issue. You can hold the discussions in the language of your choice, as in any diplomatic situation. I think that both the EU and GB have an army of specialized translators for legal documents and conversations.
    They just have to sit down at the green table, and find an agreement for the issue.
     
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    The point is that up to now, English was normally used in EU discussions, and Brexiteers probably never thought that could change.
     
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    The point is completely superfluous.
     
  7. cube thread starter macrumors G5

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    It is your opinion.

    Also, if English is replaced as an EU working language in the future, that will change in some sense the dynamics of power.
     
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    Dismantling big government everywhere is the only way to save humanity.
     
  9. yaxomoxay macrumors 68000

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    It's not an opinion, it's a fact. Both the GB and EU governments are able to (and do, daily) carry diplomatic conversations in different languages and/or with translators. It's normal procedure for which people are trained since you have to be able to read the hidden meaning within a sentence spoken in a different language.
    There is not going to be any change in the dynamics of power; if you think that two institutions change their balance of power for such a petty, almost inconsequential, thing you're really misjudging the relations between the States.
    At most it's a small message for diplomatic channels which means that the other side also has specific requests and won't be easy to deal with, in a similar way to Americans wanting a green table with 20 assistants and the Chinese wanting a brown table and 3 assistants. Small stuff, mostly boring back and forth of requests.
    And the EU ain't stupid, they know that English is a business standard all across the globe, and is the primary language of not only for the UK but for the US and many African countries.
     
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    Hail Anarchy! Bow to your local war lord instead. ;)
     
  11. cube thread starter macrumors G5

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    I am sure many politicians want to avoid interpreters if possible.
     
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    For high level, general talking? yes. It removes a layer.
    For serious stuff, and bureaucracy? They better be sure that a specialized interpreter is there. UK's 'pants' is different than US 'pants', and if you're using 'pants' as an exchange item for some diplomatic relation you better be sure that you're talking about the same thing.

    They will be better off talking their own language. They will still have to sign the documents in all the working languages (British English, French, German, Spain), making sure that the meaning (and not just the text) is conveyed correctly.
     
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    No, some people are basically native in multiple languages. They will speak to you in their mother tongue and understand perfectly when you answer.

    This is where Anglo-Saxons are at a disadvantage in general.
     
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    Yes, my wife is that way (lucky her; my kids are growing that way) .
    But that's not how many people - including many many leaders - are. If you're at a negotiation table you want to be sure that your entire team knows exactly what is happening at every moment, because they're the ones that will have to carry out the specific terms of the deal once you have discussed the general terms.
     
  16. cube thread starter macrumors G5

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    The point is, if the negotiatons are carried out in French:

    - The Brexiteers who were expecting to lead are in for a surprise
    - The UK government may have to appoint a negotiator who is not a Little Englander
    - It slows down negotiations
    - It makes negotiations more tiring for those who don't speak the language
     
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    If the UK leaves the EU, then there'll be no country left in the EU that has English as an official language. It is likely the EU would drop it as an official language.
     
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    There's still Ireland and Malta, but the next language after French and German in terms of population of the countries where it is an official language is Italian.

    Switzerland wins.
     
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    You're talking as if the EU can impose French. UK delegation will talk the language it wants, EU delegation will talk the language it wants (French?). Documents will be signed in all the official languages.
     
  20. cube thread starter macrumors G5

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    Perhaps, but maybe up to now they were just speaking in English.
     
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    I doubt it to be honest but again, I am not in the room so I can't say for sure!
     
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    Waiting for the Brits to talk in Gaelic.
    Grianghrafadóireachta!
     
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    Forget working language, that is not even an EU official language.
     

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