Leftist social media crushing self-determination right

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Chew Toy McCoy, May 8, 2019.

  1. Chew Toy McCoy macrumors regular

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    Was listening to a recent discussion mostly on the subject of the left owned social media platforms silencing the right through either banning, de-monetizing, or de-ranking. The new algorithms are also designed to filter out “outrage bait” as suggestions.

    When the conservative was asked why the wealthy and well connected conservatives don’t counter this with their own networks it basically came down to 2 things.

    1. Their general “what’s in it for me (read: $)?” attitude

    2. They really don’t care about the overall population, mostly just their personal wealth. (refer to 1).

    I think the general conservative message is “only worry about yourself” and social media is quickly going to crush that, if they haven’t already.
     
  2. Raid macrumors 68020

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    Is it any surprise? "the self" is just a tiny subset of "the social". ;)
     
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    I mean...
    If 1. and 2. is the general attitude of the conservative right - good riddance?

    Am I missing something?
     
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    Wtf is this? I thought the GOP were Sociopaths, and the DNC neurotics.
     
  6. ericgtr12, May 8, 2019
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    Basically the radical right (particularly the white nationalists) are saying "how dare you infringe on my right to be a racist hate baiting bigot online".

    The reality is they incite those already on the edge and have a pretty big influence, in turn it gets their people out in places like Charlottesville and they harm others. In many ways it's like the anti-vaxxer movement (mostly Liberals) misinforming people and now we have record outbreaks. It's our responsibility to stop the spread of misinformation that can be damaging to others.
     
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    While I concede there are/were small groups of "lefties" attached to the anti-vaccination trend, it was predominantly right-wing (though conspiracy theorists somewhat). This is not to disparage the Right in general, but to your point: people sometimes irrationally hate the Government and even more irrationally, Science - and say "how dare you tell me what to do". So here we are.
     
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    It's also social media companies that are making the call, if we look at FB, Twitter and Youtube they've made pretty big strides in combating that type of language, I personally applaud them for it.
     
  9. LordVic macrumors 603

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    I would like to believe that social media would act as a decent check to the self absorbed individuals in line. But unfortunately it's not.

    1. The self absorbed rich people who tend to stay conservative, tend to really REALLY not care what others say or think. They'll continue to repeat news and information that is legtiimately "fake news" that fits into their existing agenda of "got mine, so **** you".

    2. Foreign powers understand that if the other side is loud enough, it will silence conservatism of this extreme, so they have made a concerted effort to purposely spread propaganda and fake news around social media in order to try and provide a louder soap box. this is what we saw during the 2016 presidential election and we're seeing it already ramping up for the Canadian 2019 election.

    You can see evidence of well, the first one here on these forums alone, with certain individual posters repetitively posting the same memes or false narratives over and over again because the stats and truth proves them otherwise. They are perfectly willing to shove their fingers in their ears and ignore reality because it doesn't fit into their pre-conceived notions.

    And half of those posts and memes they post can be traced directly back to Social media where they clearly picked up that information in the first place.

    Honestly, I don't know if there's a solution to this. Education on critical thinking skills should be enough to at least give people the tools to understand reality and that there's others on this planet besides themselves, But even with learning critical thinking, they still refuse to accept reality.

    It seriously reminds me of those flat earthers from under the dome documentary. Everytime they performed a scientific study they thought would prove the earth was flat, they were dissapointed. All the tests proved the round earth. They still sat there ignoring their own research that didn't fit into their own existing idealogy. This is a perfect analogy for modern day conservatism.
     
  10. Chew Toy McCoy thread starter macrumors regular

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    The somewhat take away from the conversation was that social media could have the power to make conservatives extinct. Most people under 40 are cable cutters and aren’t getting their news from the major news networks. Even their top shows have a pathetically low viewership. Claiming Fox News is the highest rated and trusted news network right now is barely a blip in the bigger picture.

    Old guard conservatives are largely ignoring this warning and prefer to use their old school tactics of lobbying corruption, not saying Democrats don’t do the same, but the left is a lot stronger on social media.
     
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    Actually, they are the highest rated "cable news" network, compared to network nightly news programs they're all just a blip.

    Additionally, the only one's claiming Fox News is the "most trusted" is Fox News. The reality is they're less trusted than MSNBC and CNN. Even Fox News themselves had to concede this.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Am I supposed to think a handful of members of the right-wing fringe getting banned from social media means "conservatism is dead"? I'm sorry, but if conservatism is synonymous with people like Alex Jones then conservatism was dead in the water.

    There are legitimate concerns about the undue influence that social media has on public thought, but from my experience online, conservative viewpoints still have a lot of influence and prevalence and they're not going anywhere soon, even if certain big name individuals have been de-platformed.

    My major issue with social media is its facilitation of echo chambers. Algorithms recommending you more biased and extreme content, strengthening pre-conceived notions, conspiracies, and paranoia, and not encouraging debate and exchange of ideas.
     
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    I completely agree, believe it or not there are Conservatives I do enjoy listening to and when they're being rational they're actually allowing me to listen to their point of view. I am probably the exception to the rule here but when people get radical about it they'll never influence those who want to hear both sides, they're simply echoing to their kind.
     
  14. Chew Toy McCoy thread starter macrumors regular

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    As I mentioned in my OP they are actually tweaking the algorithm so it doesn’t suggest extreme view posts. This is also going beyond individual extremists. The algorithm will also target certain buzzwords or terms usually associated with the right narrative and take automatic action. This includes people just reporting on something including those on the left. So even if you are saying you are against white nationalism there will be some kind of action taken just for mentioning it.
     
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    I was going to say social media is a major contributor to lack of self-determination/reflection, but it appears I was beat to the punch.
     
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    While I'm not one for outright bans on discussions (it just makes the cockroaches of society harder to find), I wonder if these buzzwords are indeed associated with the 'right narrative'... and if so, then why has 'the right' disassociated their political movements from them?
     
  17. Chew Toy McCoy thread starter macrumors regular

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    The damage is done, no different than those on the right saying anybody with any socialist interests wants communism and thinks AOC is a living saint.
     
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    Sadly you may have a point, and that's preventing real progress. Propaganda used to be something to influence another, now it seems to be for creating a reality bubble around one's self.
     
  19. Chew Toy McCoy thread starter macrumors regular

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    There needs to be an honest discussion about border security and illegal immigration without calling everybody a criminal.

    There needs to also be an honest discussion about the middle class benefitting from greatly reduced healthcare and higher education costs, not just generational couch potatoes and illegals.

    Nobody is winning anybody over with the venom being slung from both sides which I think is largely due to just general unhappiness that may not have anything to do with the specific topics being discussed.
     
  20. LordVic macrumors 603

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    I think you've nailed it.

    a lot of what we're seeing, especially the hyper-partisan ********, is a reflection of an ever growing dissastification at the current status quouo which has for the last 30ish years put a strong emphasis on de-regulation of the market, with a push towards growing the rights and powers of corporations at the expense of the everyday person. With evergrowing divide between the haves and have nots, is it any surprised that people are falling into camps that promise "change" frm the status quo? And it doesn't come as a surprise that since US politics is binary in nature with no real nuance, it further pushes people to extremes for change.

    Want to ratched back the rhetoric, hate, divide? Make people happy. Happy people are not divided people. Happy people are not desiring overthrowing regimes. Happy people don't want massive change to political systems that are less than ideal. Unhappy people who have repetitively been disregarded for various reasons, get vocal. get loud and sometimes get violent.

    At some point, something is going to break unless compromise is made somewhere in the middle to get people happy again.
     
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    The thing I can't stand is when people label anyone on the right as a racist or says your opinion doesn't count because of a few people who make-up the radical right. The same can be said for the left. I have plenty of friends on the left that I respect even though I don't believe in their political ideology. An I have friends on the right who I think go too far when they voice their opinions on the issues, so far they haven't cross my threshold where I don't want to be friends anymore with them. The point I'm trying to make is we should all be civilized to one another even though we have different political views on the issues.
     
  22. Chew Toy McCoy thread starter macrumors regular

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    The establishment has pushed the people to the breaking point. That’s why they are more than happy with amplifying disinformation and letting us tear away at each over fringe issues like the border wall, identity politics, and gun control because those issues don’t affect the bottom line of the elite in any form whatsoever.

    Their latest tactic is preaching the CIA lie about the situation in Venezuela to manufacture consent for military intervention. Trump put the exact same guy in charge who lied us into the Iraq war and even MSNBC leftist corporate shill Rachel “24/7 Russiagate” Maddow is suddenly on this right wing war hawk liar’s side. What does that tell you?
     
  23. LordVic macrumors 603

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    Not much different than I already believed during the 2016 election.

    People have had enough of the Established war-hawk neoconservative agenda of deregulation and letting corporatists walk allover peoples living. Everyone is so afraid of the government infringing on rights, so we limited their power, only to allow corporations, who don't have to abide by the constitution, to have that very power.

    It's one of the reasons why there's so much support behind Bernie or even Trump. they're anti-establishment votes. People from outside the status quo whose primary message was change.

    I get it. I think that votere in their fear allowed themselves to get conned. But that's voting for ya.
     
  24. Chew Toy McCoy thread starter macrumors regular

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    And that’s what the “and yet he’s President.” Trump defenders don’t get. He’s a liar and a conman and I have yet to hear differently from anybody who currently isn’t on his payroll. Even the ghostwriters of his 2 books came out this week to say as much and regret being part of his ascension. He’s not President because he’s got some genius business qualities that haters just aren’t seeing. He’s President because enough voters were sick of the establishment. Could have just as easily been Bernie if it wasn't for the corruption of the DNC.
     
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    Did you just say anti-vaxers are liberal? If so how about a link for that?
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    I’m not clear that the DNC somehow rigged the primaries to make Bernie get less votes. Didn’t peoples votes determine the result?
     

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