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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by ert3, Oct 25, 2010.
Smack her around just dont take it too far
Just make sure you beat her lovingly, right?
Is spanking your children beating them?
How about a wife/husband who slaps their husband/wife once across the face after discovering infidelity? Is that beating?
Just curious. I agree that definitions are important.
EDIT: I just remembered how these topics usually go down.
Backing out now.
The Arab world is one messed up place.
What if she likes spanking?
(Someone had to ask)
Kids, thats for when mommy and daddy are in heat and in bed...
Jokes aside, the Return of Barbaric times...
Before everyone jumps to their entitled conclusions (barbaric times?)
The beating that the article is referring to should not exceed a slap on the back of the wrist.
That's the definition of 'beating' in this context, now feel free to decide whatever you want and generalise as broadly as you feel.
Edit: I'm referring to in Islam, have no idea what the UAE high court is referring to and can't be bothered to be honest.
Oh wow, once again, my arguments are proven invalid and I was beaten into nothingness in less than 4 hours.
chrmjenkins as the skies as my witness I will bring you down!
Depends on how hard you're spanking and where.
As Zsa Zsa discovered, a slap can certainly be considered assault. Even if you're really pissed off and feel like it's your right to slap someone in the heat of the moment.
Unless you're attacked and/or fighting for your life, violence of any kind isn't justified. It doesn't matter if it's in the heat of the moment.
And for reference, I have a wife who's never been slapped and two kids who've never been spanked.
Admittedly, the younger one threw a pencil in preschool, once, three years ago.
Yes. I was never spanked and turned out fine, and I would never spank my kids.
Beating, as in to a bloody pulp? No. Assault? Yes. Illegal? Yes. Wrong? Yes.
Whether you want to call it beating, slapping, spanking, is irrelevant. Nobody should be hitting anybody for any reason unless it's some consentual kinky sex.
Let's see if I can contradict myself in this post...
Spousal abuse is sick. Husbands who batter their wives are disturbed and deserve to be punished accordingly.
Wives who slap their husbands after discovering infidelity are 100% justified most of the time.
I was spanked as a child. I had very loving parents who cared very much for me. There was nothing remotely related to 'beating' involved. Frankly, I wish more people in this world had parents who cared enough to spank them. (no, I'm not saying that spanking is required for any parent who cares, but I am saying that spanking does not equal beating)
Obviously there are gray areas, and obviously cases need to be tried and contested regarding merit and facts specific to that case.
Ive gotta disagree about #2. No one is ever deserving of physical abuse by their partner. Cheating or not, no one "Deserves" a slap unless they slapped first, then they deserve a retaliatory slap
We agree on this issue. Unfortunately, much of the Arab world is still very much a medieval society with a sh**load of oil as a money source. We definitely do need alternative sources of energy for many reasons, but mainly to make these countries less significant. IF we can keep nukes out of their hands.
Sad part is there are fundamentalist Christians right in the US that believe hitting the wife and kids is perfectly fine. They even have books on using plastic plumbing tubing to spank your kids with.
Uh no, it's not justified.
Would you find it acceptable for a husband to slap their wife if she's the one screwing around?
"Obviously there are gray areas, and obviously cases need to be tried and contested regarding merit and facts specific to that case."
Intention to cause bodily damage is an important measure when trying battery vs. assault and a misdemeanor vs. felony offense and simple vs. aggravated offense. If you slap/spank some one and you're not intending to inflict damage... that's one thing. If you're closing your fist and attempting to cause damage, that's another. There are too many variables to consider, thus the 'tried/contested regarding merit/facts' category, things can be very different case to case.
Not even just fundamentalists. There are areas in the US where your neighbors look down on you unless you beat your wife regularly. For a woman, it can be a real uphill battle getting out of an abusive relationship when no one around is supportive. Funny how religion almost always plays a part in these situations.
No, violence against another human being, no matter what your intent is, is never justified. Maybe there's a grey area in terms of the severity of punishment, but there should be no grey area in terms of whether or not it's acceptable.
If you're talking about closed-fist attacks now, we're in a whole different realm from where you started when you were talking about slaps.
That's your opinion. The majority of the civilized world I could wager a guess, disagrees with you. Spanking is not amoral, and is certainly 'acceptable' in modern society.
It's actually less effective than alternative methods. So, why do it?