"liberatian" right wing Tea baggers ask for more gov. intervention and control?????

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  1. dinaluvsApple macrumors regular

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    http://thinkprogress.org/2010/06/26/tea-partiers-manufacturing-environmental/

    One of the organizing principles of the conservative-led tea party movement is an “aversion to big government,” with tea party organizers turning their ire on comprehensive health reform, clean energy legislation, and even mandatory trash collection. Yet a new poll finds that, despite their anti-government rhetoric, a majority of tea partiers favor the government enacting policies to protect manufacturing jobs and placing tariffs on goods from countries with weak environmental standards:

    A new poll contradicts the widely held belief that the the tea party movement is opposed to government action to help the economy. It shows that self-described Tea Party supporters are very much in favor of government action to revitalize America’s manufacturing base.

    Seventy-four percent of self-described Tea Party Supporters would support a “national manufacturing strategy to make sure that economic, tax, labor, and trade policies in this country work together to help support manufacturing in the United States,” according to the poll, put out by the Mellman Group and the Alliance for American Manufacturing. Likewise, 56 percent of self-described Tea Party Supporters “favor a tariff on products imported from other countries that are cheaper because they came from a country that does not have to comply with any climate change regulations in the country where the products were made.”

    It remains to be seen if the corporate-funded astroturf groups like FreedomWorks and the Republican Party, both of which have courted the tea party movement, will be willing to champion these pro-worker and pro-environmental views movement members appear to have.




    so essentially they are against free trade and less regulation by government.
     
  2. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    So many times we have heard this argument by the left, "if you want less regulation in one sector of government you have to deregulate everything." Clearly not the case. Nice try though.

    Its a very popular thing to want products to be manufactured in the US, the government is the only one who can place tariffs, I don't particularly subscribe to the theory, but that doesn't mean you can extend that to every facet of government.

    Just because you don't like socialized medicine doesn't necessarily mean you don't like socialized highways. etc, etc.
     
  3. dinaluvsApple thread starter macrumors regular

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    funny...

    except
    http://www.ontheissues.org/tx/Ron_Paul_Free_Trade.htm

    No restrictions on import/export; but maintain sovereignty .

    1. BE IT RESOLVED that the Republican Liberty Caucus endorses the following [among its] principles:The US government should inhibit neither the exportation of US goods and services worldwide, nor the importation of goods and services.
    2. The United States should not be answerable to any governing body outside the United States for its trade policy.



    so is ron paul not a libertarian anymore?
     
  4. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    You are the one who added the libertarian title to the article, most tea partiers are not actually libertarians. Even within the group of libertarians there are varying degrees of belief on subjects. If polled on gay marriage I imagine you would find most tea partiers are against it, which is also against what a libertarian should believe.
     
  5. dinaluvsApple thread starter macrumors regular

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    good...

    now are going to accept the mainstream tea party for what it is?

    racist, neo nazi, anti immigration pro gun, evangelical white christians movement.
     
  6. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    racist - maybe some

    neo nazi - I don't remember them advocating further socialist policies, or hating jews. It seems to me the liberals are the ones railing against the jews in most cases.

    anti immigration- change to anti-illegal immigration and you would be correct. We could also call this enforcing the law though.

    evangelical white christians - not really sure on this one, but you might be right.

    I don't particularly like the tea party, but it is rather telling that the left has decided to try these smear campaigns more than once, it gives the appearance of fear, maybe rightfully so, midterm elections are looming.
     
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    Man you're funny. How many times did you hear that and from where? :confused:
     
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    This doesn't seem particularly contradictory to me. While you might find anarcho-capitalists opposing all government regulation, Libertarians tend to propose less government rather than no government, particularly in the case of national(ist) libertarianism like the Tea Party. Perhaps I'm looking at this too academically, but pointing out the 'contradictions' of the other side doesn't actually help us understand them. Why not try understanding the Tea Party for what it is and avoid resorting to gross generalizations and shallow logic?
     
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    If I had a dime for everytime someone said something bad about socialized medicine and then someone came back with an argument about not wanting roads or any other government services I would be rich.
     
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    And that has to do with what you said....how?
     
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    its the same extension of one's dislike in one facet of government to all of it. If you want deregulation you must want everything deregulated, if you hate one socialist program you must hate them all.
     
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    So in other words, your "quote" hasn't actually been said by anyone around here, just another one of your own projections. :rolleyes:
     
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    As always these are choices. Personally, I would rather have publicly-funded health care and private highways. I have known a few people who embrace the all-or-nothing ethos but most people I have met are happy with a modicum of each, whether left or right-wing.
     
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    Hating Israel and its policies doesn't mean you hate jews. Hell it probably means you like them more - as in the long run Israel's current policy line is going to lead to further racism against Jews.
     
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    It wasn't a quote, it was paraphrasing.
     
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    The Tea Party people consist of way too many ideas to really call them a single group. They seem to be angry at different things. And some of they have already broken off from each other as they have many conflicting beliefs. Eventually, they will break off into even smaller groups.

    I think it's interesting that the OP and others here almost always criticizes the Tea Party based on their lowest dominator, such as racism. For every nonsensical racist sign holder, I'm sure there's another person who is embarrassed by it.

    And concerning "liberatian" ideas and government aid for manufacturing, as you can see from your own data, most of the tea partiers do support aid. And maybe some of those people also might call themselves libertarians. But they are just people and sometimes people don't know what they're talking about. It is completely separate from a faith, a group, or an idea. We can take a look at all the African leaders over the past few decades who call themselves socialists. Clearly, based on their actions, socialism is all about mass murders, rapes, and kidnappings.
     
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    The tea parties were first startd by politicians like Ron Paul and their followers. However, as the ideas of smaller government became more mainstream, more mainstream republicans like Sarah Pailin latched onto it. Now, the tea parties are mainly composed of the so called "small government conservatives", really neoconservatives, that the tea parties initially sought out to distance themselves from.
     
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    Refreshing to hear such a strong voice of reason in these forums. Well said, yojitani.
     
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    oh my gawd

    ground breaking new poll: liberals are hypocrites.

    They want more government regulation, but they also want the government out of their bedroom! oh my gawd!



    See how asinine that sounds?
     
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    Gay sex doesn't hurt anyone. Oil rigs and banks being under-regulated do.
     
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    Well, it might hurt the catcher, but I hear that goes away after awhile ;)
     
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    Maybe I should re-phrase, it doesn't hurt anyone not involved.
     
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    You can't tell me it doesn't hurt... a little. ;)
     
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    ok...

    I was being facetious to illustrate a point. You obviously missed that.
     
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    You made a point and it was false. What else? :p
     

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