Looking For a Good Job?

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  1. eljanitor, Oct 4, 2011
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    eljanitor macrumors 6502

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    I was reading this article about how unemployment in the USA is at it's highest for people ages 16-29 since WWII. So that's tough for anyone who is looking to get their first job, and would like to leave the nest.

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...ng-americans-put-off-adulthood-160406776.html

    Some people have had the experience of working the occasional minimum wage retail job, stocking shelves, flipping burgers, punching buttons and dealing with all of that fun stuff. Possibly still while in High School, and realistically right now after graduating from college with a Bachelors degree in business management, accounting, programming or who knows what.

    There's nothing wrong with working a retail job, being a waiter, a janitor or whatever. Fact is, a job is a job and that dream job may just be a bit off for you. Being the next designer at Apple, or whatever may have to wait just a bit and you may to have to make burgers a little while longer.

    If you're looking for a job, and you get a phone call from a company you don't remember sending a resume to, chances are you didn't. They got your resume from a list somewhere and there looking for ANYBODY to fill a space.

    It never hurts to go check out these opportunities, however sometimes they aren't all they are cracked up to be. Be careful when you walk into a mass interview. Company XYZ calls you and schedules you for an interview at a set time, you arrive to find many people there, rows of chairs, and there is some kind of presenter. It never hurts to hear what they have to say, however you may have just wasted an hour or several hours listening to a seminar for a job that just is a pile of garbage.

    Beware of companies that inform you that you will have to pay for some kind of training for whatever position, or that they will deduct that training from your paycheck(s) in the beginning because of some kind of requirements for the position they are offering. If XYZ company is so successful like any other company they have money in their budget to train new employees. If they need your money before they can pay you, somethings not right and it's you're better off looking for another job.

    Watch out for phrases like, "We'll make you rich!" or "I've been with the company for x months and now I make 8- 15 G's a month, and have( insert more outrageous lies here)." These are tactics that they use to draw you in because they know you need a job, and like vampires at a blood bank there very happy to see you.

    Avoid pyramid schemes, "In x months you too will have people under you and they will be making you money." Chances are in X months you will be burnt out, selling some product nobody wants, and will have to figure out what to do next.

    When you are at interviews/ seminars like thees chances are you're about to make a huge mistake by agreeing to their terms and starting your new job with them. I say this because someday you may be that person giving the seminar to all the prospective new employees. You did just say that you don't need to be there that day giving that seminar because you could be at home in your mansion, with two AMG SLK's in the garage.
    However in reality you really don't want to go back to your apartment via the bus, that you share with your roommates from work that you've been living with for the past 4 years looking for that big break that you were promised, but unfortunately still hasn't presented itself to you.

    It really is better off to go take a job at Mc Burgers and wait for a real job, that you would like. Even if you have to wait a bit longer then you had planned.

    Temp jobs however can be good, because sometimes they give you an opportunity to work for a company that may be hiring for a permanent position later. So even if you wanted a full time job, waiting out that temp position may pay off.

    Another thing to be careful on is trade schools. University of Employmentville isn't always telling you the truth, it's a business that makes money by enrolling students in courses. Sometimes it seems that you may be working that dream job after 2-4 years of classes and student loans. You too will be making $XX,XXX.XX. in this field.
    No you will be making whatever the starting salary is for that position because you have NO JOB EXPERIENCE in your field. Eventually you will be making whatever the school recruiter said you would be making, but that takes time. Also you will have to pay back those student loans in full while the interest on those loans builds and builds, graduated or not. Still though, the education is still a good idea, and most likely will pay off at some point if not right away.

    Like I said the economy is tough, and unfortunately people are willing to use that to their advantage to get by on you. If you're being offered an outrageous deal that seems unrealistic by somebody, chances are it probably is.

    I'd love to hear from people who got caught up in jobs like those, or have advice to offer for those looking to start out in this crazy economy.
     
  2. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    If you have a bachelor degree and you are flipping burgers what the hell is the person without an education supposed to be doing? Meanwhile how are you paying your loans off that accrued with the promise that your earning potential would be higher?

    A great deal of anger is going to occur in the following years as people realize the wool has been pulled over their eyes. It's absolutely not okay for someone with a higher education to flip burgers, it's a waste.
     
  3. ender land macrumors 6502a

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    I agree with this.

    Unfortunately, a lot of people are not willing to take the jobs they get offered and/or do not spend a whole lot of time looking for jobs.

    I know quite a few people in that situation (not necessarily flipping burgers, but working an hourly "high school" type job - coffee shops, fast food, etc) and nearly all got a degree without lots of job prospects OR did not put much if any work into finding a fulltime job.
     
  4. AP_piano295 macrumors 65816

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    The wealth in this country is highly concentrated in a tiny percentage of people and corporations and frankly they're happy with the status quo.

    Maybe if we raised taxes on the obscenely rich we could re-invest that money into new re-search, new technology, etc.

    But that would be socialism, better to leave the wealth with the people who are happy with the current state of stagnation.

    Meanwhile the people who might actually come up with new ideas have 60K in college debt to pay off, no healthcare, and a crumbling social safety net. Doesn't sound like a innovation friendly environment.
     
  5. (marc) macrumors 6502a

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    1) A dollar saved is a dollar earned.
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  6. iJohnHenry macrumors P6

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    Go to a trade school, and out-earn him when you finish your apprenticeship. ;)
     
  7. ender land macrumors 6502a

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    The more technical fields of STEM are a lot easier to pay back loans through, get higher paying jobs or loan forgiveness than the "liberal arts" as (marc) pointed to.

    I'm not entirely sure what you are saying, but I don't think it's at all fair to tax people so that people choosing the path of least resistance can continue to do so and therefore pay a lower college expense.
     
  8. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    There is no shortage of work to be done. There are bridges that need repaired. There are products that could be built. There are lawns that need mowed. There are houses that need painted. There are millions of things that could be done, and correspondingly, millions of jobs that could easily be available for people to do.

    The ONLY thing preventing that from happening is the liquidity of currency. That currency is held in the hands of a small number of people and businesses that are either not hiring, or hiring overseas.

    It would be easy to advocate just taking that money and putting it back into the system, but that goes against so much of what I believe this country is. That being said, we can change the tax code to equitably reverse the wealth transfers that have been happening over the last 30 years. In addition, we can impose tariffs, trade restrictions, whatever to encourage or even mandate production in this country.

    I recently saw an article about bit coins or some sort of weird online currency. If a lack of money is keeping me from hiring you, then let's make up our own barter currency. I'll give you in trade x for y. As long as x has value to someone else, then why not? Maybe a secondary currency has merit.

    There is work to be done, but the jobs aren't there. That can only be explained by a lack of "available" currency.

    If anyone has a better explanation, I'm all ears.
     
  9. samiwas macrumors 65816

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    I think you hit the nail on the head here. There is TONS of work that could be done. But most of it is government-related, such as bridge building and repair, more passenger rail, road work, etc. A lot of that would go through private contractors, but still...no one likes to see government spending no matter where the money actually ends up. So instead, we just stop all the flow.

    Like you said, the money is there. I posted in another thread about how Apple alone has enough cash assets to hire 10,000 people at $35,000 a year for 50 years, and still have $50-billion left over, if all else broke even. Many other companies could do the same with tens of billions left over. They just aren't, for a multitude of their own reasons. The money is there. The jobs are not.
     
  10. jnpy!$4g3cwk macrumors 65816

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    Strange. My first big job after college was doing menial work. It was during a recession. What was "absolutely not okay" with that? After a while, I got a better job, and then another better job, and then another better job.

    I agree with a couple of your points, but, getting a higher education doesn't entitle anyone to anything-- not even a job flipping burgers. Today's economy stinks for young people, and, I blame [insert previous stuff here] for it. But, even in a great economy, people still have to earn their stripes.
     
  11. Raid macrumors 68020

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    When a person with a higher education flips burgers, it's called under employment. It denotes an inefficiency in the labour market, that usually is corrected over time during expansion/growth phases of corporations or job re-training. It may be a waste of talent in the period when a highly educated or skilled worker is not fully employed, but it's never a waste to have a job.

    Long story short, just because you have a higher education it does not entitle you, to a "good job". Education opens more doors sure, but in times of recession and bear markets some of those doors will be locked up for awhile.
     
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    It's time for these people to understand the REAL message and reality of Republican governance and seek another political party to place their trust in. And no, I'm not implying that would be the Democrats necessarily. :)
     
  13. anjinha macrumors 604

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    Apple is constantly trying to hire more people. I know for a fact that at any time they're trying to find more engineers to hire.
     
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    I went to a university that offered a co-op education. 4 months campus, 4 months work. They helped organize interviews and did most of the basic job hunting for you. I graduated in the middle of a recession (1990) but got a job in my field (EE) no problem because I already had 2.5 years work experience. It does take an extra year to complete the course (5 instead of 4) but its well worth it in the end. The first few jobs I got were pretty crappy and rather unrelated to my field but I stuck through them and got what I could out of them. Just my own experience.
     
  15. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    You don't really earn your stripes flipping burgers, maybe during college, but afterwards it's a waste of human capital. With the way tuition is going we will have 100k in debt past students working 80 hours a week flipping burgers to service the interest on their loans and not getting anywhere.

    If that isn't a recipe for a hostile population I'm not sure what is.
     
  16. CorvusCamenarum macrumors 65816

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    Maybe if we spent less time telling every single high school student that regardless of aptitude, they need to go to college, they should want to go to college, and that they deserve to go to college, then fewer kids who have no business being in college in the first place would waste 50k getting worthless degrees in "X Studies" and the like that don't really qualify them to do anything except flip burgers or maybe teach "X Studies".

    Demand goes down, price goes down with it.
     
  17. jnpy!$4g3cwk macrumors 65816

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    You learn how to show up on time, do stuff that you wouldn't do for fun, and get paid for it. Everybody has to learn that lesson some time. Also: there is nothing wrong with menial work. BTW -- "earning your stripes", "paying your dues" -- etc -- it was never something that you did once; it was always something that you did with every new job.

    Going to a state-sponsored school, working part time, and living in cheap accommodations - $0K in debt. Things were different. Rich people paid high taxes, college professors didn't get paid that much, and many states considered college education a public good.

    Obviously, not everything was better -- racism, religious bigotry, homophobia, war, pollution -- all much worse. But certain things did work better, and, could work better again.
     
  18. KnightWRX macrumors Pentium

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    So you're saying a degree should come with a job on a silver platter ? Why should a graduate get a free lunch ? Go out there, apply what you learned to find a job and perform at it.

    Don't scoff at starting at the bottom. Some graduates think they can just walk in and own the place and refuse to work the lower echelons. A bachelor degree does not entitle you to an office job. Work through the cubicle farm and earn that door like everyone else.
     
  19. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    The problem is that people who graduated years ago had opportunity to do all of these things, start at the bottom, etc. Students who were fully ready and qualified are graduating into a market where there are few entry level jobs and for the first time we have more overeducated people than we need that have no where to go. If we stay in this shape for 10 years how many of the skills these students learned will have been wasted flipping burgers? Society may render their studies obsolete because of changes that they were not able to be a part of because they were flipping burgers.

    I'm not saying someone should be granted a job on a silver platter but simply acknowledging the anger that is likely to occur from such things.

    Generations past have no clue what this generation is dealing with to tell the truth. The environment is completely different.
     
  20. dime21, Oct 6, 2011
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    That's a bizarre and dangerous line of thinking. Wealth should not be evenly distributed. That is the very definition of communism. The principles that America are built on, are those of opportunity. That success can be reached by those who work hard enough and are smart enough to reach it. Casting those successful people as "bad guys" is wrong. The "American Dream" is not for everyone. It is reserved for those who work hard enough and are smart enough to earn it. I'm not saying everyone who is poor or jobless is lazy or stupid, so don't take my words out of context please, but ability to create wealth is not reserved for some inaccessible elite caste that is closed to new members. It is open to anyone.

    The late Mr. Jobs is a perfect example. Starting a company out of his suburban garage and turning it into one of the largest and most profitable corporations on Earth. Was Mr. Jobs a "bad guy" for doing so, who should be scorned and penalized for being "obscenely" rich? Or should his success be seen as a role model, and as inspiration to others? I believe a thinking individual would take the latter point of view.
     
  21. leekohler macrumors G5

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    He said nothing of the sort. You saw what you wanted to see.


    No one has ever advocated for making everyone the same financially. Where do you guys get this stuff?
     
  22. dime21 macrumors 6502

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    Read it again Lee. You missed some sentences.
     
  23. leekohler macrumors G5

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    No- I most certainly did not. Where did that poster say that wealth should be evenly distributed?
     
  24. dime21 macrumors 6502

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    I beg to differ. His principle complaint is that wealth is concentrated amongst a small percentage. His stated remedy is to relieve the wealthy of this "excess" and redistribute to the less wealthy. His proposal is to reduce the disparity by evening or re-leveling this wealth. This isn't complicated Lee, don't play word games.
     
  25. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Uh...no- where did he say any of this? Nowhere in his post is there any statement of taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor. He talked about investing in infrastructure and research- he did say that.

    Unbelievable how you got some sort of bizarre Robin Hood scenario out of his post. No wonder this country can't get anything done.
     

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