First the usual: long-time pc user, looking to be first-time Apple owner. I build my own pcs, have 2 mid to high end systems AND I just bought a new Sony Vaio about 3 months ago. Now what I'm looking for is a low(er) end Mac that I can get at a reasonable price to see if I like it. I briefly considered getting a new ibook before I got the Vaio but I didn't want to spend that kind of money on a notebook not knowing if mac was really a direction I wanted to go. Then I considered a ew emac for $999, or the older crt stlye iMac for $799 from apple.com but even now I'm not sure I want to pay that much just to experiment with a mac. For $800-1000 I can build a very high end pc. I guess you may be wondering "then what exactly do you want?" Well, what about the older ibook, the "clamshell" style (I think I've seen it called that). Would it suffice for what I want to use it for and would it give me a fair glimpse of what mac has to offer?? Basically I aim just to use it for web, music, minor photo editing stuff. That's about it. Anything else can be done on any of my other pcs. So what exactly should I look for? Obviously I'm looking to get it off ebay, but I have no clue what is a fair price for whatever amount of hardware I'm getting. Or if someone here is looking to sell one I'm interested. Ideally my price range is say $400-500, I really don't want to go beyond that as any more and I should just pop for the cheapest new ibook at $999 (or less off ebay). Also, an older imac is an option, same deal, what is a fair price for a used machine compared with what it actually has in it?? I have no idea about mac processors. The clock speeds seem way behind amd or pentium, but with the g3 and g4 I do know that they don't compare the same way. Thanks in advance.