Looks like the end of the road for mac pro

Discussion in 'Mac Pro' started by pat500000, Sep 5, 2015.

  1. pat500000 macrumors 604

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    No wonder, they ostracized the Pro market at every turn.
     
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    could you elaborate? I don't understand what you mean. thanks
     
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    I was just at a large BMD event. No demo nMP, no products for it, no mention of it.

    Was a core part of market before.
     
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    This may be critical for those who are waiting then. IF THIS IS TRUE...my gosh...they really are getting rid of them.
     
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    Not necessarily the end of the road for the Mac Pro, maybe just a new beginning. Just entertain the following hypothesis for one second:

    Between the end of 2011, right after Mr. Jobs passed away, and sometime in 2013, Apple redesigned the Mac Pro and built manufacturing facilities in the US. Clearly the mandate for new management was to increase profits, and no one wanted a machine that was upgrade-able for nearly a decade, although they must have missed the fact that for the professional market customization and flexibility are paramount.

    The new Mac Pro is by no means a workstation, and there is no way in hell that it can qualify as such. The fact that it has outdated Intel Xeon CPUs at its heart and can use a whooping 64GB of ECC DDR3 doesn't make it a workstation. Lets not forget the wimpy 450 Watt PSU or the horrendous and impossible to upgrade D300, D500 and D700 GPUs (3 year old by now ?!).

    So back to my original thought: managements mandate to increase profits. Oh yes, someone miscalculated that these must sell like crazy due to the cool factor and because they are an Apple product. Lets not kid ourselves here, because for professionals it is far more important to have the right tools for the job than to look cool while working.

    All in all the new Mac Pro did not bring Apple enough profits to justify further development. Going back to a more conventional design (back to a nice shiny tower) and updating the platform to Haswell-E/Skylake-E and DDR4 would mean at least three things:
    • by doing so they would admit that they screwed up
    • profits would still be small because customers wouldn't pay for overpriced RAM, SSD drives, CPUs, and so on, as most folks would just buy the minimal configuration and perform their own upgrades
    • Apple wouldn't enjoy the huge savings on shipping costs if they would go back to an aluminum tower - and no, I would not buy a Mac Pro in a cheap stretched steel and plastic case (like those crappy PCs)
    To wrap things up:

    Well, apparently the writing is on the wall: bye-bye Mac Pro. The only possible future that I see for the Mac Pro is one in which Apple will partner with IBM (or another major manufacturer) and that manufacturer will build workstations running OS X, with an Apple EFI present on the motherboard instead of the usual uEFI. Apple will be in charge of the software, while the manufacturer will be in charge of the hardware.

    I'd imagine that Apple would only entertain this possibility if they want to maintain a presence in the professional and enterprise markets where high end workstations are needed.

    Further down the line I think that Apple wants to slowly turn into a service provider over the next decade or so, while maintaining a strong foothold in the mobile market by keeping their platforms proprietary. By devoting more and more resources to iOS I believe that Apple will at some point completely abandon the Mac and instead they will finally license OS X as a standalone product, or they will partner with certain manufacturers and license it as OEM. Hardware quality has increased dramatically, to the point where a lot of hardware today is far better than what Apple is selling in their Macs. Certainly these won't be cheap clones, and if I'm right about Apple partnering with others, then Apple will most likely want to maintain control over the firmware.

    But who knows, I'm just speculating here.

    The bottom line:
    It's all about profits and the bottom line. Apple will always do what's best for Apple, for their share prices to go up and for their shareholders to make money. Apple doesn't care about enthusiasts, or about how much we love the classic Mac Pro. If they can't hit their target and make their margins, the product will be quietly killed.

    It seems like there isn't much nMP stock anywhere, and prices are high for these outdated trashcans. This can only mean one thing: that it's either being manufactured in very low quantities, or that manufacturing may have stopped completely. Either way, at this point, I wouldn't buy one.
     
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    Hey, aren't "To wrap things up" and "The Bottom line" usually the same thing?

    How's Marc and the weather in NC?

    Nice insights, good review.
     
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    First, although I am not a tech savvy in regards to specs, but how is it not workstation? I mean...like FCPX and all that...are you saying nMP is a failure?

    Secondly, wasn't IBM the operating system company before? Like 80s? I don't remember IBM being a hardware company...if so...then what? Is there a future in this business? I remember MR posting this IBM relationship news while back..but didn't understand the concept of why they did partner up.

    Thirdly, apparently you are right because they are not selling educational discount on nMP...so what then? Unless purchasing full price.

    Lastly, what's the solution? iMAC? or old MAC PRO? or PC (in which i haven't touched that since long time ago)?
     
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    @ Moonshot

    I agree. If Apple can't make money from a product, they are not afraid to kill it. I don't like the situation, but I can't really blame them. They need to make money and they have to answer to share holders.

    I'm not sure it will ever happen, but it would be fun to see the rebirth of Mac clones.
     
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    what's the alternative?
     
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    Alternative to what? The current Mac Pros? I guess the only true alternative is a Hackintosh or to move on to a different platform and OS.
     
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    That didn't work out so well in the mid-90s.

    The Mac Pro lost its positioning when mobile parts became competitive in the desktop market. Low-power, low-heat parts killed the need for the giant case. Why spend huge sums to cater to the "pro" market when the demand isn't there, and the consumer market chooses to go in another direction?

    Apple will never make another expandable, mid-price machine. Those died with the G4s.
     
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    damn...or get cMP, right?
     
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    Yup. That's how I see it...
     
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    But things have changed since then. In the mid 90s, the "cloners" were cloning Apple's core product. Now, they'll be cloning a niche product. Any losses due to a mis-step now won't have too much of an effect.
     
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    While the PR/Kool Aid posters pretended it was otherwise, the previous MP user base bought other machines.

    Apple walked away.
     
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    If Apple believed a market to be viable, they'd go after it. From a business point of view, the only reason to allow someone else to take a niche product is if you make more money through licensing than through production. Given that the software support would still fall to Apple, why would anyone want to pay that kind of license fee for a low-volume market? Especially when the only real differentiating factor is the OS. Far better for a "solutions" company to focus on the application rather than the OS.
     
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    other....machine? man..i'm just trying to thrive on...apparently i don't use pc, but it appears that i might have to.
     
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    IBM has been a hardware company since about ever. They were building computers in the '60s and '70s, as well as a bunch of other stuff (I learned to type on an IBM Selectric typewriter, the one with the little ball you could swap out for different typefaces). And a few decades before that, they provided indexing and cataloguing machinery used by the 3rd Reich to keep track of the Jews.

    Their only real foray into serious software was OS/2, which came out of a collaboration with MicroSoft. Last I heard, they were beating the drum for Linux, which I guess would be less work for them.
     
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    Don't you think they made an enough money to just say, "why not...we got enough money to invest on mac pro...let's give it to them." Thinking back during late 2013...what purpose was it for them to build it?
     
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    Yeah i remember the os2. I totally forgot about the hardware.
     
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    Guys (and Gals), I'm sitting there in Hollywood, been in film biz a long time.

    Nobody here is proudly using a 6,1.

    Despite the PR parade here on MR, the real users of these machines weren't fooled.
     
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    I have previously hypothesised that OSX will be released as a free OS that can be installed on any PC so there is no need for a Mac Pro when you can build your own workstation. The hypothesis can be gathered from a number of clues:

    - the OS has become free.
    - Apple has stepped up under the hood security improvements to combat malware, unsigned software and root access. This is a sign that they are planning a rapid expansion of the user base and don't want the OS to be plagued with the kind of viruses and bad software Windows has had problems with.
    - Metal. This API would be useless to talk about if Apple was only going to use sealed up computers using mobile GPUs. It can only really be shown off on gaming class desktop GPUs.
    - App Store and iTunes Store. These make more money than most of their hardware lines. By increasing the user base with OSX they can earn even more money.
    - iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch. Again, having a larger OSX user base will increase the sales of their gadgets at a time when sales are beginning to stagnate.
    - It won't harm iMac or MB/MBP sales. It may in fact increase Apple notebook sales to supplement all those new desktop users.
    - To combat the threat of Windows 10. Let's face it, it's a great OS and many Mac users are raving about it. It already has more users than Yosemite according to latest numbers. Apple needs to challenge this in a substantive way before it erodes tablet and phone sales.
    - All those Hackintoshes can be converted to legal OSX installations overnight and help create a wave of no-cost proselytisers.

    Done.
     
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    Oh i know you are advocator of cMP...and I guess somewhat I understood why. I don't doubt your experience in film. Any suggestion from here on out? mac pro 2012 8 core or something like that?
     

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